Posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:47 PM PST by the_conscience
I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?
I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?
Such is your claim, but God Himself said otherwise in Scripture.
I can take your word for it, or I can trust God.
LOL You lose.
Again.
TRUE TRUE.
THX
Well, in the case of Christians, yes He did. that's why the HS is our "Advocate".
No Biblical designation “Church (singular) of Christ.”
There are “churches (plural) of Christ.”
No one worldwide, man-led organization necessary.
There is (1) the Body of Christ (the spititual union of all genuine believers in this age in one Head, Jesus Christ—the family in heaven and earth, not just earth); (2) individual local assemblies which are admonished to mirror that spiritual union.
THX MUCH.
No one here on this forum has contributed a word to the Bible.
No one.
The Psalmist, according to tradition, was King David son of Jesse, annointed as a boy at God’s command. No one here is a king, either.
A malediction is evil. Christ commanded us not to do evil.
Wrath is a deadly sin. A decision to harbor wrath and pray a malediction in Christ’s Holy Name is heresy. Christ died to save us from our deadly sins. “Christ came not into the world to condemn the world, but that the world, through Him, might be saved.
May we all be delivered from evil, including those who engender wrath.
*sigh*
Lol, lol. So all that Moses stuff is what?
“The Church of Christ is not the Catholic Church.”
Why, sure it is.
The Psalms are prayed on special occasion, especially in Hebrew churches. They all have their purpose. God has given blessings and cursings.
No Biblical designation “sola Scriptura” either.
Salvation is correct and you have it wrong.
The “Church of Christ” (modern congregation(s) styled such) is/are not the Catholic Church.
But the Catholic Church is the Church founded by Christ.
The psalms are prayed in the Catholic Church every day.
And in ALL Catholic masses.
Hah! 23 seconds apart!
If you need an attorney to establish justification you are already screwed.
Your reply evades JA’s specific point: curses in Psalms are Scripture, curses authored by internet mortals are NOT.
You recommended the following for good reading:
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/scripture_alone.html
I cannot agree. It has 3 sections. The first is “Scripture Alone Disproves “Scripture Alone”.
The first sentences in that section are below, with my comments in [].
Gen. to Rev. - Scripture never says that Scripture is the sole infallible authority for God’s Word. Scripture also mandates the use of tradition. This fact alone disproves sola Scriptura.
[I don’t think the writer knows what sola scriptura says. However, the infallible authority I can find in scripture would be scripture itself, the words of Jesus (found in scripture) and the teachings of the Apostles. If the teachings of the Apostles differed orally from what they wrote, show it. I’ll accept the authority of what the Apostles said - but then, we don’t have any reliable quotes from them outside of scripture. But if the Catholic Church has secret teachings, handed down from the Apostles, Bishop to Bishop whispered mouth to ear at ordination, feel free to reveal it.]
Matt. 28:19; Mark 16:15 - those that preached the Gospel to all creation but did not write the Gospel were not less obedient to Jesus, or their teachings less important.
[Of course not. So what teachings of the apostles differed or supplemented what they wrote? Has there been a 3 Peter laying hidden in the Vatican?]
Matt. 28:20 - “observe ALL I have commanded,” but, as we see in John 20:30; 21:25, not ALL Jesus taught is in Scripture. So there must be things outside of Scripture that we must observe. This disproves “Bible alone” theology.
[John 20:30. “30 Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book” Copy. Not every miracle (sign) done by Jesus was recorded.]
[John 21:25 “25Now there are also many other things that Jesus did. Were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written.” Jesus did - not teachings of Jesus not covered. So what teachings did Jesus teach without record in scripture? And what is the evidence they were taught by Jesus?]
Mark 16:15 - Jesus commands the apostles to “preach,” not write, and only three apostles wrote. The others who did not write were not less faithful to Jesus, because Jesus gave them no directive to write. There is no evidence in the Bible or elsewhere that Jesus intended the Bible to be sole authority of the Christian faith.
[There is no indication that Jesus expected everyone to write scripture. Not all of us are pastors, either, but that doesn’t mean we’ve disobeyed God. But neither does that have anything to do with sola scriptura. And Jesus taught with authority (we know because scripture tells us so) and cited scripture as authoritative. So...where does he cite tradition as authoritative?]
Luke 1:1-4 - Luke acknowledges that the faithful have already received the teachings of Christ, and is writing his Gospel only so that they “realize the certainty of the teachings you have received.” Luke writes to verify the oral tradition they already received.
[Most believe Luke was supplementing Mark’s Gospel, and Matthew’s. However, sola scriptura does NOT deny the oral authority of the Apostles...it says, “built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone”. The foundation doesn’t get built forever. If you have a genuine Apostle or Prophet, let him prove himself, then preach. But ‘Doctors of the Church” aren’t mentioned, are they?]
John 20:30; 21:25 - Jesus did many other things not written in the Scriptures. These have been preserved through the oral apostolic tradition and they are equally a part of the Deposit of Faith.
[Jesus did, not Jesus taught. However, if you have evidence that Jesus taught his disciples something, and it has been passed down from 30 AD on, then share it. Remember, Paul taught the “whole counsel of God”, and Jude said the faith “was once for all delivered to the saints”. New stuff doesn’t count.]
Acts 8:30-31; Heb. 5:12 - these verses show that we need help in interpreting the Scriptures. We cannot interpret them infallibly on our own. We need divinely appointed leadership within the Church to teach us.
[These verses teach the value of a teacher or preacher...which are gifts still being exercised. It does NOT show we need infallible interpretation.]
While we’re on infallible interpretation, who infallibly interprets the church’s supposed infallible interpretation? And where is the infallible interpretation of scripture kept? Where is the Vatican Infallible Commentary on the Bible?
Because when I post comments found in the NAB posted on the Vatican website, annalex says the translation and comments are both worthless. How can the Infallible Church publish bad translations and bad commentary on its website?
I think some of these “churches” are nothing but an unending litany of a few verses (taken out of context) from the epistles of St. Paul and vengeful or legalistic portions of the Old Testament. Lutherans and Anglicans contained themselves to specific differences with the Church, but kept the mass largely the same and in so doing managed to retain most Church doctrine. Many others are Christian in name only.
You recommend a long list of authors as "good reading" and among them were Sproul and MacArthur (as I recall).
I cannot agree.
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