Posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:47 PM PST by the_conscience
I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?
I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?
LOL.
The errata (editio typica) are not included. The second edition has the editio typica baked right in.
At $13, I suspect I'll be getting one soon.
INDEED.
Including the worst of us.
This is such a profound insight, dearest sister in Christ. It rings with clarity for me, too!
Thank you so very much for your outstanding essay/post!
THANKS TONS for your kind reply.
I agree.
And you have been so gentle, regarding our Church faith...thank you for all the kind rhetoric you have dispensed for the good of our Catholic souls...
"Never. The less." /Katherine Hepburn, "African Queen"
Let anyone who wishes to whine about eating the food he has prepared for others and served up on big blue fon...er, typ...er, bowls, do so.
But for the sake of your eternal salvation, I beg you to repent of your malediction. As you claim to be loving, so do I. May God grant you all graces, forever, I pray in Christ's Holy Name.
I'm finished for the time being.
Feel better soon, Harley. Drink lots of fluids.
The great thing about Calvin is that he knew men were not stupid. OTC, men are devious, arrogant, stubborn and self-deceived. So here Calvin reiterates the Scriptural truth that men are "without excuse."
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" -- Romans 1:19-22 "Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Earlier Paul tells us God's judgment on this willful disobedience...
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness" -- Romans 1:18
And who "...hold(s) the truth in unrighteousness"?
All men, unless and until they are given the righteousness of Christ mercifully and freely imputed to them, according to the purpose ordained by God from before the foundation of the world.
All men were made in the image of God, and all men are stained with the sin of Adam's fall from grace. However the reality of the Triune God's existence and majesty is so self-evident that men's fallen human nature must be depraved indeed still to deny His Lordship over all, and to be ungrateful for all He's given us.
It's like Satan. Satan knows God is God. He knows God created him and all existence. But Satan does not glorify, worship nor show gratitude to God. Even Satan is without excuse.
So in the excerpt from Calvin we don't find a loophole for perseverence of the saints. We see Calvin repeating Paul's teaching that unless God grabs hold of us and knocks us to the ground to wake us from our death sleep of self-worship to permit us to actualy believe and love the truth and be grateful for it, we will be left with our own corrupted egos, freely enjoying our rebuke of God's active presence on earth by the working of the Holy Spirit.
Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them." -- Romans 1:28-32"And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Without God's free grace and the new birth by the Holy Spirit, men are left in their fallen state, given over to a reprobate mind which actually enjoys its disobedience.
And adding the tag that goes without saying for Mr. Rogers, God is the first cause of who will believe. God names His family not because to their own good work of faith; but for His good pleasure alone He covers them by the good work of Christ, giving us faith in He who "will do it."
"Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it." -- 1 Thess. 5:24
Perseverence of the saints is also addressed when Calvin highlights Augustine...
The definition which Augustine somewhere gives, - viz., that it is obstinate perverseness, with distrust of pardon, continued till death, - scarcely agrees with the words of Christ, that it shall not be forgiven in this world. For either this is said in vain, or it may be committed in this world. But if Augustine's definition is correct, the sin is not committed unless persisted in till death.
"...sin is not committed unless persisted till death."
Wow. What greater declaration of POTS? Contrary to papist teaching that says each sin is weighed, measured and eternally scars us, Calvin and Augustine recall Paul's teaching that the children of God have already been acquitted of their sins by Christ on the cross.
Thus at a time of God's choosing the children of God will repent and believe before they die, while the reprobate will languish in the love of their disobedience and their willful denial of the work of the Holy Spirit unto the grave.
And that fact gives us astounding hope for all men everywhere and leads us to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the ends of the earth.
Feel better soon, Harley. Drink lots of fluids.
The great thing about Calvin is that he knew men were not stupid. OTC, men are devious, arrogant, stubborn and self-deceived. So here Calvin reiterates the Scriptural truth that men are "without excuse."
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" -- Romans 1:19-22 "Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Earlier Paul tells us God's judgment on this willful disobedience...
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness" -- Romans 1:18
And who "...hold(s) the truth in unrighteousness"?
All men, unless and until they are given the righteousness of Christ mercifully and freely imputed to them, according to the purpose ordained by God from before the foundation of the world.
All men were made in the image of God, and all men are stained with the sin of Adam's fall from grace. However the reality of the Triune God's existence and majesty is so self-evident that men's fallen human nature must be depraved indeed still to deny His Lordship over all, and to be ungrateful for all He's given us.
It's like Satan. Satan knows God is God. He knows God created him and all existence. But Satan does not glorify, worship nor show gratitude to God. Even Satan is without excuse.
So in the excerpt from Calvin we don't find a loophole for perseverence of the saints. We see Calvin repeating Paul's teaching that unless God grabs hold of us and knocks us to the ground to wake us from our death sleep of self-worship to permit us to actualy believe and love the truth and be grateful for it, we will be left with our own corrupted egos, freely enjoying our rebuke of God's active presence on earth by the working of the Holy Spirit.
Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them." -- Romans 1:28-32"And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Without God's free grace and the new birth by the Holy Spirit, men are left in their fallen state, given over to a reprobate mind which actually enjoys its disobedience.
And adding the tag that goes without saying for Mr. Rogers, God is the first cause of who will believe. God names His family not because to their own good work of faith; but for His good pleasure alone He covers them by the good work of Christ, giving us faith in He who "will do it."
"Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it." -- 1 Thess. 5:24
Perseverence of the saints is also addressed when Calvin highlights Augustine...
The definition which Augustine somewhere gives, - viz., that it is obstinate perverseness, with distrust of pardon, continued till death, - scarcely agrees with the words of Christ, that it shall not be forgiven in this world. For either this is said in vain, or it may be committed in this world. But if Augustine's definition is correct, the sin is not committed unless persisted in till death.
"...sin is not committed unless persisted till death."
Wow. What greater declaration of POTS? Contrary to papist teaching that says each sin is weighed, measured and eternally scars us, Calvin and Augustine recall Paul's teaching that the children of God have already been acquitted of their sins by Christ on the cross.
Thus at a time of God's choosing the children of God will repent and believe before they die, while the reprobate will languish in the love of their disobedience and their willful denial of the work of the Holy Spirit unto the grave.
And that fact gives us astounding hope for all men everywhere and leads us to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the ends of the earth.
Feel better soon, Harley. Drink lots of fluids.
The great thing about Calvin is that he knew men were not stupid. OTC, men are devious, arrogant, stubborn and self-deceived. So here Calvin reiterates the Scriptural truth that men are "without excuse."
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" -- Romans 1:19-22 "Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Earlier Paul tells us God's judgment on this willful disobedience...
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness" -- Romans 1:18
And who "...hold(s) the truth in unrighteousness"?
All men, unless and until they are given the righteousness of Christ mercifully and freely imputed to them, according to the purpose ordained by God from before the foundation of the world.
All men were made in the image of God, and all men are stained with the sin of Adam's fall from grace. However the reality of the Triune God's existence and majesty is so self-evident that men's fallen human nature must be depraved indeed still to deny His Lordship over all, and to be ungrateful for all He's given us.
It's like Satan. Satan knows God is God. He knows God created him and all existence. But Satan does not glorify, worship nor show gratitude to God. Even Satan is without excuse.
So in the excerpt from Calvin we don't find a loophole for perseverence of the saints. We see Calvin repeating Paul's teaching that unless God grabs hold of us and knocks us to the ground to wake us from our death sleep of self-worship to permit us to actualy believe and love the truth and be grateful for it, we will be left with our own corrupted egos, freely enjoying our rebuke of God's active presence on earth by the working of the Holy Spirit.
Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them." -- Romans 1:28-32"And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Without God's free grace and the new birth by the Holy Spirit, men are left in their fallen state, given over to a reprobate mind which actually enjoys its disobedience.
And adding the tag that goes without saying for Mr. Rogers, God is the first cause of who will believe. God names His family not because to their own good work of faith; but for His good pleasure alone He covers them by the good work of Christ, giving us faith in He who "will do it."
"Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it." -- 1 Thess. 5:24
Perseverence of the saints is also addressed when Calvin highlights Augustine...
The definition which Augustine somewhere gives, - viz., that it is obstinate perverseness, with distrust of pardon, continued till death, - scarcely agrees with the words of Christ, that it shall not be forgiven in this world. For either this is said in vain, or it may be committed in this world. But if Augustine's definition is correct, the sin is not committed unless persisted in till death.
"...sin is not committed unless persisted till death."
Wow. What greater declaration of POTS? Contrary to papist teaching that says each sin is weighed, measured and eternally scars us, Calvin and Augustine recall Paul's teaching that the children of God have already been acquitted of their sins by Christ on the cross.
Thus at a time of God's choosing the children of God will repent and believe before they die, while the reprobate will languish in the love of their disobedience and their willful denial of the work of the Holy Spirit unto the grave.
And that fact gives us astounding hope for all men everywhere and leads us to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the ends of the earth.
And more; infinitely more.
Ah, nuts. Why is it always the long ones that get double-posted? Mea culpa.
Thank you. Perhaps you can return the favour when I'm next, shall we say, out of sorts?
In this case, triple posted. But who’s counting? :)
I hit the abuse button on myself to ask the Mod to delete my duplicate, incomplete post 4528 at his/her convenience.
Self-abuse, eh? Not sure any of the churches represented here would approve of that....
ROFL! ;-D
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