Posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:47 PM PST by the_conscience
It’s always nice to hear the other opinion articulated.
No, not a boy, but all kids, regardless of sex, in Western NY were threatened with “Father Bakers” we did not know it was only BOYS ... just knew we did not want to go there ...
I have great respect for this man ..
And I'll be sure not to make an idol. I may however make an image, write an icon, etc, or pay somebody else to do so.
FWIW my Catholic acquaintances in those days (I came into full communion in 1994) were not unanimously in favor; I know a number of Catholics who will drive a long way to a Latin Mass; and my kid thinks Latin Masses are neat.
Could I have the scriptures that teaches apostolic succession ...thanks
Deuteronomy is the Old Law superseded by the New and Everlasting Covenant. It does not apply. From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
1962 -The Old Law is the first stage of revealed Law. Its moral prescriptions are summed up in the Ten Commandments. The precepts of the Decalogue lay the foundations for the vocation of man fashioned in the image of God; they prohibit what is contrary to the love of God and neighbor and prescribe what is essential to it. The Decalogue is a light offered to the conscience of every man to make God's call and ways known to him and to protect him against evil:
God wrote on the tables of the Law what men did not read in their hearts.
1963 - According to Christian tradition, the Law is holy, spiritual, and good, yet still imperfect. Like a tutor it shows what must be done, but does not of itself give the strength, the grace of the Spirit, to fulfill it. Because of sin, which it cannot remove, it remains a law of bondage. According to St. Paul, its special function is to denounce and disclose sin, which constitutes a "law of concupiscence" in the human heart. However, the Law remains the first stage on the way to the kingdom. It prepares and disposes the chosen people and each Christian for conversion and faith in the Savior God. It provides a teaching which endures for ever, like the Word of God.
1964 - The Old Law is a preparation for the Gospel. "The Law is a pedagogy and a prophecy of things to come." It prophesies and presages the work of liberation from sin which will be fulfilled in Christ: it provides the New Testament with images, "types," and symbols for expressing the life according to the Spirit. Finally, the Law is completed by the teaching of the sapiential books and the prophets which set its course toward the New Covenant and the Kingdom of heaven.
Wow you are a special family.. My dad graduated from college in an era where most were considered educated if they finished 8th grade.. he taught Latin and English . I took Latin as well and still had to have a missal that had English on one side and Latin on the other.. (as i bet your grandmas had)
The church explains the lack of supplying or encouragement the reading scripture by saying that people were too illiterate (thats the excuse for statues as well) but they were all literate in latin ..amazing that they were all bi-lingual inspite of their illiteracy
An image, icon, or symbol only becomes an idol when it is worshiped. Some seem to have as much trouble with English as they do with theology.
There are many people who become Catholic because they like the drama of the mass.. for many people the Latin was a part of that.
A lot of people would prefer to feel holy than be holy Dawg..:)
Another false dichotomy.
The Law didn't disappear...
Maybe according to your Catholic church, but not to God...God says don't even make those things...
So naturally you are opposed to photography and sculpture, right?
Deu 5:8 — Thou shalt not make thee [any] graven image, [or] any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the waters beneath the earth:
hebrew word is pecel
defined as
1) idol, image
One more for you
Deut 4: 14 And the LORD commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go over to possess it.
15 Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves; for ye saw no manner of similitude on the day that the LORD spake unto you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire: 16 Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female,
No I was really impressed with your scripture..I just thought that Jesus comment answers the church changing or eliminating some laws
We don't agree on what constitutes Scripture. If I cited passages in the books of the apocrypha you would deny them so providing you the citations from the Catechism is casting pearls before swine (I'm not calling you a pig). That being said the following is from the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
75 - Christ the Lord, in whom the entire Revelation of the most high God is summed up, commanded the apostles to preach the Gospel, which had been promised beforehand by the prophets, and which he fulfilled in his own person and promulgated with his own lips. In preaching the Gospel, they were to communicate the gifts of God to all men. This Gospel was to be the source of all saving truth and moral discipline."
In the apostolic preaching. . .
76 - In keeping with the Lord's command, the Gospel was handed on in two ways:
- orally "by the apostles who handed on, by the spoken word of their preaching, by the example they gave, by the institutions they established, what they themselves had received - whether from the lips of Christ, from his way of life and his works, or whether they had learned it at the prompting of the Holy Spirit";
- in writing "by those apostles and other men associated with the apostles who, under the inspiration of the same Holy Spirit, committed the message of salvation to writing".
. . . continued in apostolic succession
77 - "In order that the full and living Gospel might always be preserved in the Church the apostles left bishops as their successors. They gave them their own position of teaching authority." Indeed, "the apostolic preaching, which is expressed in a special way in the inspired books, was to be preserved in a continuous line of succession until the end of time."
78 - This living transmission, accomplished in the Holy Spirit, is called Tradition, since it is distinct from Sacred Scripture, though closely connected to it. Through Tradition, "the Church, in her doctrine, life and worship, perpetuates and transmits to every generation all that she herself is, all that she believes." "The sayings of the holy Fathers are a witness to the life-giving presence of this Tradition, showing how its riches are poured out in the practice and life of the Church, in her belief and her prayer."
79 - The Father's self-communication made through his Word in the Holy Spirit, remains present and active in the Church: "God, who spoke in the past, continues to converse with the Spouse of his beloved Son. And the Holy Spirit, through whom the living voice of the Gospel rings out in the Church - and through her in the world - leads believers to the full truth, and makes the Word of Christ dwell in them in all its richness."
And what gives you the authority to speak for God?
Google is your friend, here. Google Luke icon Mary. The icons are striking. Tradition says that he wrote three on Mary alone.
You said in your last post that you have posted the Word of God. Now you say scripture. Which is it?
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