Posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:47 PM PST by the_conscience
I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?
I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?
Man is totally Depraved (totally unable) BECAUSE of the fall and original sin..you guys think water takes care of it..we think the grace of God does
Thank God you're not talking about the Catholic Church.
Hey ya know even a broken clock is right 2 times a day..!! LOL
That's a good question. Why does God allow heresy? The only reason seems to be so that we can understand the true gospel from the false.
If you truly believe in free will, then you must agree with Nancy Peloski when she said that she's a Catholic and she can exercise her free will to believe in abortion. For a Church who claims everyone has "free will", it is rather ridgid in allowing people to exercise that will.
The above probably makes sense in one of those universes but it’s above my pay grade here on earth to decipher
It's quite possible you do not understand free will AT ALL.
How can you rationalize that the Holy SDpirit infallibly guided the Catholic Church in its early days and then abandon it later? Why shouldn't the same process used by the same Holy Spirit apply to the Catechism of the Catholic Church?
How can you rationalize that the Holy Spirit infallibly guided the Catholic Church in its early days and then abandon it later? Why shouldn't the same process used by the same Holy Spirit apply to the Catechism of the Catholic Church?
Mark, I do not intend to be unkind, but do you have a learning disability? You seem to have a hard time understanding what people are writing..
Your comments are very funny actually because joseph Smith, like you, hated Calvinism because man could not be his own god with it..
...- often evident
I presume it is sarcasm, but I don't think it is warranted.
First, especially as Catholics we know what love means. It has nothing to do with being nice, but everything to do with wanting the best for fellow man, and so, primarily, wanting his salvation. It is entirely possible, in fact it is incumbent on a loving person to be contentious, harsh, and unyielding. Rogers and I exchanged many heated arguments but never did I suspect that he is arguing for any other reason than to correct what he sees as error in me and others like me. I wish he saw the light, but I cannot fault him for arguing what he believes to be the truth.
Second, he is a pleasure to argue with. He is polite, level headed and clear, and he makes his arguments logically and thouroughly. I wsh there were more Protestants arguing with us on such serious level.
Mormons hate Paul and just toss out the NT whenever he’s involved. They claim he’s Greek and a member of a Sun worshpping cult when he was in fact Jewish and a very learned one at that. His understanding of the OT is a boon to his explanation of Christian doctrine. Mormons also claim that the bible is true “insofar as it is translated correctly”. Now where have we heard that before?
You are being unkind. Thank you for pointing out that you do not intend to be. Perhaps the disability is on your side.
Your comments are very funny actually because joseph Smith, like you, hated Calvinism because man could not be his own god with it..
The point of the Calvinists is that every writing of every man in the Bible is equal to the saying of Christ. Therefore in the Calvinist world their words are equal to Christ's. Therefore in the Calvinist world they are equal to Christ. Paul is quoted most often in Calvinist proofs; the OT next, and the Gospels little, and even then not in a primary proof, mostly in secondary commentaries.
It is not I that japes with the salvation of souls; the cruelty of Calvin and the pagan god that he posits may be the cruelest joke of all.
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All I did was to point out that cloud is usually a reference to heaven, and that witness and martyr is the same word in Greek. And that the early saints were near to the one martyrs.
Post 2680. No need to apologize, it was fascinating, and I enjoyed it immensely
"The saints hear God, — and you and me, too,— but not with their bodies. How, we don’t know, but we know even from the scripture that they do: “we also having so great a cloud of witnesses over our head” (Hebrews 12:1).
The fragmentation, scattering or any kind of destruction of the body will not prevent God, Who made Adam from mud, from restoring the dead to their glorified bodies. The relics are reminders that this will happen, but we should not imagine that God will mechanically reassemble the saint from his relics"
I never claimed that Mormonism was a duplicate of Calvinism, just that it used some of the same thought pattern. We believe that Peter and Paul were the two greatest Apostles. But we do not worship them, nor do we think that their words superseded those of Jesus.
Mormons also claim that the bible is true “insofar as it is translated correctly”.
True. The Church, who wrote and edited and selected Scripture is also the authority to translate it. We know that the LDS does not, we know that the Calvinists do not any more than the thousands of other Protestant interpretations of the Bible. You guys and the Mormons and all the other Protestants can duke it out over which man can translate Scripture best among you. I'm going to stay with the Institution that Jesus Created - His Church. And the authority that He gave it.
None among us “can translate scripture” nor do we claim to. That is your major error in your thesis
It's not only the Calvinists that know that...
Must be your church told you the tale that the red letters were far more important than the others...Because you certainly did't get that crazy idea from the red letters...
Then by whose authority do you claim to understand Scripture? If not by your own, then by whom?
You know the ladies will stop posting approval now don't you?
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