Posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:47 PM PST by the_conscience
I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?
I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?
If you used the Paul analogy on the Catholics here, the answer you would get is 1)YOPIOS 2)Paul was Paul, he’s the only one this applies to and whoever he was talking to at the time. Also there is a heirarchy in the Word, Paul is of lesser consequence than Jesus.
This ought to be good...
I say, therefore, that he sins against the Holy Spirit who, while so constrained by the power of divine truth that he cannot plead ignorance, yet deliberately resists, and that merely for the sake of resisting."
You might be describing 'grieving' the Holy Spirit but that's about it...And someone resists the Holy Spirit just for the sake of resisting??? I doubt that any Christian has ever done that...
Mar 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
Mar 3:30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.
God tells you what blaspheme against the Holy Spirit is and you guys go right ahead, call God a liar and make up some silly story...
“Pride? Aren’t all men prideful?”
Not if they are married. That was the bait and switch of creation. Adam said WOW, and then he learned humility....fast!
Ha!
JOHN: Yeah, and I think at that point, if I can jump in and say, I understand all those hard questions. They’re equally hard for me. And they’re equally hard for you. To say I believe in the doctrine of election does not solve all the problems, it simply admits to what the Bible teaches. I cannot resolve all the problems, I have all the same questions that everybody else has. I don’t think you’re going to in this life get perhaps the final answer to all of those dilemmas but becoming content and committed to and faithful to what the Scripture says about the doctrine of election is the issue.
PHIL: Good, we’ll hold on to that thought because at the end I want to ask you a bit about how you came to your convictions on this and some of the questions you grappled with. But let’s start just by talking about the term election for people who have heard that word and aren’t sure what it means. Let’s start with the basics. What is the doctrine of election?
JOHN: Well, it simply means to be chosen. We would use the word election in our own culture to refer to someone being chosen. When someone is elected, they are chosen for a specific purpose. And that’s exactly what it means. It comes from a Greek verb, eklego, which means to pick out, to choose out. And it is the doctrine that says God chooses those who will be saved. And He does so sovereignly, according to His own will and His own purpose, uninfluenced by any other person, or by anything anyone does. That is to say the choice is apart from any action on the sinner’s part, which might render that sinner worthy or deserving of that choice.
http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/GTY-106.htm
:-)
I do not know that you have the authority to call any gospel false ...and BTW I do not have a pope calvin :)
I've heard RCs answer that by saying God doesn't want to interfere with man's "free will."
What kind of God stands around and let's six million people be murdered when He really does not want that to happen and could prevent it in an instant?
A much more Scriptural and truthful perspective would be that men are 100% responsible for the evil they do and at the same time God has ordained all things for His glory. The deaths of six million human beings certainly shows us the savagery that is in the hearts of men. We are all fallen and none of us is exempt from sin.
Calvinism indicts itself, and Scripture convicts it.
I'm just identifying that state of affairs.
I actually think Catholics do..
"The priest is, indeed, another Christ, or in some way, he is himself a continuation of Christ." (Pope Pius XI, Encylical on the Priesthood)
The Pope is called " the Vicar of Christ?" Or the stand in for Christ.In calling the Pope the "Vicar of Christ," this implies that he has the same power and authority that Christ had over the Church.
From the catechism
"For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered." Pg. 234, #882
"The Roman Pontiff... as supreme pastor and teacher of all the faithful..." Pg. 235, #891
Do you believe that the Pope speaks for Christ?
Romans 5:19
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
When Christ first took it upon Himself to be obedient to God's will, and this was purposed from the beginning of creation, God says so, then many-- not all-- men, were made righteous. The many then share Christ's nature, and are given to Christ from God, and as Christ says, no one will pluck them out of His hand.
Just know your place there BD...LOL
You're actually wrong.
Do you believe that the Pope speaks for Christ?
Yes. That's the point. Catholics follow Christ, the leader of the Catholic Church.
His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI is merely His vicar.
Amen. Ultimately "to change the will of God" is a nonsense statement. God's sustaining will is what causes us to breath and think and live. A God whose predetermined purpose is not accomplished is a petulent mythological god, not the God who created everything and "in whose hand thy breath is, and whose are all thy ways" (Daniel 5:23
We have a world full of people that want to elect themselves with only their vote counting :)
I really enjoy Jmac
Amen !
I initially thought K thought I was a god until I learned that supper wasn’t a burnt offering.
Now you get the extended portion of one of my favorite quotes:
The two great springs by which men are moved are sentiment and idea, feeling and conviction ; as these control, so the moral character will be shaped. The man of sentiment, of feeling, is the man of instability ; the man of idea, of conviction, is the man of stability : he cannot be changed until his conscience first be changed.Now, the appeal of Arminianisra is chiefly to the sentiments. Re- garding man as having the absokitely free moral control of himself, and as able at any moment to determine his own eternal state, it naturally applies itself to the arousing of his emotions. Whatever can lawfully awaken the feelings it considers expe- dient. Accordingly, the senses, above all things, must be addressed and affected. Hence, the Ar- minian is, religiously, a man of feeling, of senti- ment, and consequently disposed to all those things which interest the eye and please the ear. His morality, therefore, as depending chiefly upon the emotions, is, in the nature of the case, liable to frequent fluctuation, rising or falling with the wave of sensation upon which it rides.
Calvin- ism, on the other hand, is a system which appeals to idea rather than sentiment, to conscience rather than emotion. In its view all things are under a great and perfect system of divine laws, which operate in defiance of feeling, and wliich must be obeyed at the peril of the soul. Regarding the sinner as unable of himself even to exercise faith unto salvation, it throws him not upon his feelings, but upon his convictions, and turns him away from man and all human efforts to the God who made him. " Its grand principle is the contem- plation of the universe in God revealed in Christ. In all place, in all time, from eternity to eternity, Calvinism sees God."* Its thought is not senti- ment, but convietion — not the arousing of the sen- suous, but the quickening of the spiritual, nature. (McFetridge)
God "went to the Jews" to show mankind that no man can keep the law perfectly and therefore all men need a Savior.
Has God closed their eyes or not?
That's pretty basic Christianity.
My friend, one constant I see here on the religion forum is that there is an ignorance regarding the Institutes. People do not know or understand what Calvin taught...and to be honest I see the same level of scriptural ignorance among many posters..
It is so easy to mock what you do not know or can not grasp spiritually ...but you know truth is always truth, and the people that love the word of God and immerse themselves in it will come to reformed doctrine themselves.. I know I did.. and I trust that is true for others..
So mock away and we will continue to place the word of God, not Calvin or a catechism before you...:)
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