Posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:47 PM PST by the_conscience
I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?
I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?
Certainly. And those whom He has renerated will choose wisely and those who have not been regenerated will choose poorly.
You are arguing for man to have the final (and thus absolute) say in his own salvation.
No wonder you dismiss the sovereignty of God as easily as you did in the other post, and now call it "Hogwash.".
Rome is delighted by your post.
"See," Rome chuckles, "We told you you had to work for it."
Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?" -- Romans 9:20-21"Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
He heard him through his conscience which all men retain this image of God despite the Fall. But for those dead in their sins this conscience can only convict it has no power by itself to renew the sinner.
But if a person is not dead in sins and trespasses, then the character of the work of salvation is entirely changed. Christ may then have acquired the possibility of salvation, but salvation itself is not His work. All of His priestly office becomes superfluous and falls away; there is no longer any place for His sacrifice. It is suffiecient that He was a prophet who proclaimed the truth and, by means of that preaching, arouses a person to faith and repentance, so that along this route a person himself acquires salvation.For many, this Remonstrant pathway seems to create the possibility of heavenly redemption. In fact, however, it removes this possibility for thousands and for millions. For if, as was saiid at the conference in The Hague, the Word of God is the only seed of regeneration, then every infant dying in infancy, everyone who is mentally impaired, and everyone suffering from mental incapacity is excluded from salvation. Even worse, one is compelled to contradict Scripture in its simple declaration that Christ is the way, the truth, and the life, that no one can come to the Father except through Him, and that no other name is given under heaven whereby men are to be saved than the name of Jesus alone.
(Bavinck,Saved by Grace, p24)
Walter Martin taught that some were fore/predestined to Salvation, Glory, Heaven . . . e.g. John the Baptist
but that no one was predestined to hell.
It's the Romanist who is insecure and fearful that he is not good enough to warrant God's love so that he must perform various rituals, cash transactions and empty works to get God's approval.
The Bible does not teach that. The Bible teaches assurance of God's love and His faithfulness to all who call upon Him by the indwelling Holy Spirit.
But, as I understand it, through the "magic of eternity" (MY fatuous phrase) it was seen that we can understand the redeeming work of Christ to reach forward and backward in time so that Mary could be saved NOT by being pulled out of the cesspool but by being prevented from falling in in the first place.
(When I get tired I either shut up or ramble. YOU drew the "ramble" straw.)
For me myself personally, I am big into the notion that the coming Kingdom sort of leaks into the present. So, long yatta yatta short, I see Mary and everything about her as eschatological.
I know that objectively, the case that the woman in Revelation is Mary is, well, um, not a slam-dunk. But, it's like Newton's Laws: you can't PROVE them, strictly speaking, but if you ASSUME them, a whole lot of wonderful stuff makes sense.
Once I view Mary as she is taught by the papist conventicle, wonderful things happen.
Gotta lie down.
It is such a blessing to know you guys. Please pray that God keep me ticking over in His will as this illness stomps all over me. It's trivial compared to, say, Haiti - or even to a stubbed toe. But in my weakness I am, well, yeah, weak.
Off until late tonight. I have to get strong and rested for a class this PM.
No, but they might say "Oh, so that's what has been taught and believed and is true for 2,000 years according to God's word. Where once I was blind, now I see."
Plenty of Christians have done that.
I asked a simple question about the source of your pain and scorn and you lashed out with intentionally hurtful language. Again, who or what hurt you to make so bitter?
Another question to better help me understand your position; If "sola" means sole or only, how can their be five solas? Must one have all five solas for salvation (counter intuitive) or does one only have to score 20% on the practical exam?
Karma is the law that believes in reincarnation. What you do in one life affects all your future lives, and to become "pure" one has to live literally millions of lives, and possibly not human ones.
Predestination is a purpose, God using men for His Glory and He appoints men to this purpose
Were there reincarnation, there would be no need for a resurrection
Hebrews 9
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
Yes, it appears they were given truth, then mucked it all up with their own ideas of "worship"
You can blame Calvin all you want to, but he didn’t make up the doctrine, it’s found throughout the bible. I’m not even strictly a Calvinist, but I can read the bible for myself.
Neither does the Catholic Church.
imho,
He told us.
He wants a unique kind of fellowship with each of us . . . and for us to rule and reign with Christ . . . evidently over endless ages and countless worlds . . .
not with robots or puppets.
He could make better robots or puppets than we can by far.
Now this parable is this: the seed is the word of God. And those beside the road are those who have heard; then the devil comes and takes away the word from their heart, so that they may not believe and be saved.
And those on the rocky soil are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no firm root; they believe for a while, and in time of temptation fall away.
And the seed which fell among the thorns, these are the ones who have heard, and as they go on their way they are choked with worries and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to maturity.
And the seed in the good soil, these are the ones who have heard the word in an honest and good heart, and hold it fast, and bear fruit with perseverance
Prayers for your wholeness.
The book should arrive today.
I appreciate your realizing and saying this:
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Yes, our attitude toward tradition makes the (as I envision it) dynamic system which we try to capture in words different from the system in which tradition has a far less important role. I think that’s an entirely fair thing to say.
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I believe that Scripture indicates that ON THE WHOLE, !!!!TRADITION!!!! is more than a LITTLE hazardous to our walk with God vs a help.
The Vatican seems to take an opposite view.
Curious, that.
You didn’t quote Christ. You quoted Bavinck.
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