Posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:47 PM PST by the_conscience
I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?
I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?
Well, true, the Catechism doesn't define anything, it just serves as a compendium of authoritative documents (Scripture, Conciliar documents, and the like).
But whether you like it or not, your definition corresponds to the teachings of the Church...which has been around a lot longer than the Merriam Webster dictionary or the the English language, for that matter.
In other words, like it or not, you are spouting orthodox Romanist (to use your term) doctrine when you gave that definition of the Catholic Church.
In other words, FRiend, you are now firmly placed on the horns of a dilemma: do you acknowledge (even tacitly) as much or do you change your beliefs (since obviously anything believed by Rome must be in error)? Hmmmm...which course to take here...hmmmm...
Thanks, but that doesn’t make it right for you to capitalize it. And it certainly doesn’t justify claiming a right to jump in on the “Catholic Caucus” when that has been understood for quite some time to be a caucus of members of the Catholic Church proper.
Sorry. I reject your false dilemma.
Again ... I am aware of this because we have immigrant families in our parish who are in mixed (Catholic/Orthodox) families. And yes, our priest administers communion to the Orthodox and vv. Our priest does it because Canon law approves. The Orthodox priest does not follow what is prescribed by his church.
No, that's not the "Orthodox position on Catholics",
Huh? It clearly states:
Orthodox Christianity does not permit its faithful to receive Holy Communion in non-Orthodox communities, whether they be Roman Catholic, Protestant, or whatever. Hence, while Roman Catholicism may extend Eucharistic hospitality to Orthodox Christians, it does not mean that Orthodox Christians are permitted to accept such hospitality.
Let's fill in the picture ...
Orthodox Christianity (the Greek, Russian, Antiochian, etc. Orthodox Church), does not permit its faithful (Kolokotronis) to receive Holy Communion in non-Orthodox (Roman, Maronite, Melkite, etc) communities ....
That seems very clear to me.
To which this Pentecostal says AMEN!
Why not?
And it certainly doesn’t justify claiming a right to jump in on the “Catholic Caucus” when that has been understood for quite some time to be a caucus of members of the Catholic Church proper.
I'm not asking to jump on the "Catholic Caucus". I'm asking that the Caucus tags reflect a particular Church more precisely. Since I'm Catholic I find it confusing that the Church of Rome is able to use that term that I identify with as their own.
"finger frothers??????" That's a new one, even from you.
Why don't you just stick with traditional slurs like "mackerel snappers," "Cat-licks," "WICs," "fenians," "cod-biters," "cookie worshiper," or something else along those lines -- at least that one makes sense.
Did you see where one Romanist poster asked for the specific Church where I was baptized?
I suppose he was going to give them a call and check the baptismal records and maybe even go to the Church and check the baptismal font and see if it met the correct specifications.
It seems he wanted to perform his own litte inquistion.
Yes, it gets even funnier when it is discovered that the full Merriam-Webster definition was left out.
Main Entry: Cath·o·licPronunciation: \ˈkath-lik, ˈka-thə-\Function: nounDate: 15th century1 : a person who belongs to the universal Christian church
2 : a member of a Catholic church; especially : ROMAN CATHOLIC
I'm sure some are thinking there's some sort of "gotcha" moment with the word Catholic originating in the 15th century; however, the reality is that very few English words that are in current use today existed prior to this. Take note of the date on the entry below:
Main Entry: 1Chris·tianPronunciation: \ˈkris-chən, ˈkrish-\Function: nounEtymology: Latin christianus, adjective & noun, from Greek christianos, from ChristosDate: 15261 a : one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ b (1) : disciple 2 (2) : a member of one of the Churches of Christ separating from the Disciples of Christ in 1906 (3) : a member of the Christian denomination having part in the union of the United Church of Christ concluded in 1961
2 : the hero in Bunyan's Pilgrim's Progress
Not my dilemma...it is fully 100% YOUR dilemma.
Hard on your conscience, isn't it? Being stuck agreeing, even in one small point, with "Romanists" (your term, not mine).
But don't worry, we dirty, stinking mackerel-snapping Papist scum won't rub your nose in it too much.
That's all hogwash so there is no dilemma.
The divide and conquer aspect is certainly part of the reason. It seems it was also created in an effort to have the RM redesignate "Catholic Caucus" threads with pajoratives like "Romanist Caucus" or "Church of Rome Caucus."
But I thought the Christian Church didn't begin until 1517 or thereabouts. I am shocked at this news!!!
Don’t overlook the overt attempts to say that Catholics are neither Christian nor Trinitarian.
You may call it hogwash, but the doctrine you spouted as your own was pure Romanist (your term, not mine -- I prefer "cookie worshiper" to Romanist any day, thank you very much) hogwash (again, your term, not mine -- I prefer the term "bilgewater" to "hogwash" any day)
So if there is no dilemma, then I guess that means we agree on that bit of doctrine.
Don’t forget that the Bible didn’t even exist before 1611 when King James finished writing it is perfect Elizabethan English.
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