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Posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:47 PM PST by the_conscience
I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?
I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?
Well, there's a difference of opinion about that.
Awwwwwww bess him lil ol heart!
In 11:24, Paul refers to the bread as a remembrance and proclamation of the body of Christ. (”Do this in remembrance of me...you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.”) He does NOT say it is the actual body of Christ - if it were, it would not be a remembrance, or a proclamation, but a re-presentation...and Paul says it is a remembrance & proclamation.
However, verses 27-34 returns to the subject of verses 17-22, and the theme carried from chapters 8-14: how we as a congregation should behave, since we are one body in Christ.
Hermeneutics. It is that Protestant hocus-pocus which means that you SHOULD read the scripture in front of your eyes before putting on your Catechism-Goggles.
“Not my reality.”
Agreed. You do have an alternate reality.
Redacted bibles and all.
ONLY
According to certain theological/organizational perspectives
assumptions,
presumptions,
inferences,
extrapolations,
interpretations
about such language.
Rom 3:22
(22) Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
If the faith alone in Christ alone is insufficient for salvation, then the faith of Christ alone is insufficient for salvation and there is no hope of salvation for any human.
Exactly. Hermeneutics is the Protestant version of the Catechism of the Catholic Church with all nothing committed to paper and kinds of situational loopholes built in.
The little doggie graphic is also a very effective way to inform me that it's one of your posts, and therefore, need not be read, as it will be void of worthy content.
Thanks again,
sitetest
;-)
And I love you anyway.
Even if you won’t ALWAYS join me in the jerk boat.
And I think you know that I hold you in quite deep affection for your Love of The Lord and for the hurting folks . . . and also for your candor and humility when your gifts might logically leave you puffed up.
I also greatly appreciate that you understand me so well in spite of our considerable theological differences. That’s one of the deeper treasures of my life these years.
Thanks tons.
You realize, of course, that being my Friend . . . and certainly being my Christian brother . . .
automatically makes you
certifiably psychotic in the eyes of the Vatican Affiliate rabid finger frothing cliques.
[as though that lost either one of us a microsecond of sleep!]
LOL.
First, thanks for acknowledging that the focus in that chapter is the sacrifice of Christ's literal body, -- so long the hermeunutical hocus pocus.
Second, rememberance and proclamation does not contradict re-presentation, and sure enough in verse 29 that is what is said. It is (a) the physical body and (b) it is a damnable sin to not discern it.
Principles of Interpretation such as Augustine taught are not the same as claiming infallible interpretation.
See Augustine here:
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/augustine/doctrine.toc.html
“Next, those matters that are plainly laid down in them, whether rules of life or rules of faith, are to be searched into more carefully and more diligently; and the more of these a man discovers, the more capacious does his understanding become. For among the things that are plainly laid down in Scripture are to be found all matters that concern faith and the manner of life,—to wit, hope and love, of which I have spoken in the previous book.”
It almost sounds like he thought scripture was ‘sufficient’ concerning faith and good works!
Sez who?
The dispute is how to gain, keep and increase the faith that Christ so generously gave us. This is why I am a practicing Catholic, and so you should be.
Personally, I think My love life would have been entirely different if I hung with somebody named Abishag. Just sayin'
The codeine is kicking in. I hereby renounce rationality and comprehensibility.
I praise Mary not on a commission or results basis but because I am grateful for her Love of God, her obedience, her bringing for the word, her giving her body and her life to the service of the Son of God and her will to God's will. In one way, Jesus is my pattern and my hero. In another way Mary is also my pattern and hero. I long to give myself to God, to have the love of God grow in me, and to bring it forth from myself for others.
Quickly running out of gas here.
You know. there's a sense I get that some Protestants are kind of afraid the God would be irritated about this. It's so different for us. We have parades and parties and services with happy and sometimes sappy songs. It's fun, and learned Ph.D.s and those not so bright and not so learned share in the fun.
“the focus in that chapter is the sacrifice of Christ’s literal body”
You might want to read the chapter again...
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%2011&version=ESV
And yes, remembrance and proclamation DOES contradict re-presentation. If you are actively involved in the original event, it is not remembering, but participating.
Different words, different meanings.
LOL!
I like it out here with nothing to depend on but God — and my new inhaler ...
I don’t feel like I was trying to change the subject at all. I was trying to express the futility sometimes of debating about personal beliefs. You DID admit, finally, that there are NO scriptures that say to pray to Mary. Okay. Can we not leave in there? Does someone HAVE to say “uncle” before we can move on already???
Why do YOU think the Roman Catholic Church is so “attacked” and condemned? Could it have anything at all to do with the exclusivity factor?
No, you!
Good grief, no!
When did the Catechism tell us to disregard the scripture because of some perceived difficulty with some other Scripture? When did the Catechism advise us to ignore the Gospels of Christ and instead rely on the few chapters of St. Paul because they, and not the words of Christ contain "systematic theology"? Yet all these were the hermeneutical advice I was getting from Protestant apologists as frequently as the day is long.
I was told to ignore the Beatitudes because Christ did not talk to me in them. I was told that the direct recorded words of Christ are "other people's mail" addressed to ancient Jews and not to me. I was told that the parables are not something we can learn from.
The Protestant hermeneutics is a diabolical tool of deception, plain and simple. This attempt to bypass an entire clear chapter of St. Paul is a good illustration of how it works.
Anyone is invited to find similar evil intent in the Catechism. CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
It does in a strictly empirical science sense. But I never yielded to Bacon or Newton on matters of spirituality or metaphysics.
I'd say re-presant-ation is the BEST remembering, the best Ana (up) mnesis (= remembering.) I remember my first kiss. On a good day, I feel it on my lips, more years ago than I care to remember. It is, momentarily "here and now."
The problem is you guys don't think the Objects of the mind are real. You think Reality is confined to Baconian stuff, stuff you can weigh and cut up and burn.
I'm going to have to think about this.
G'night bros and sisses.
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