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Who are the Catholics: The Orthodox or The Romanists, or both?
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Posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:47 PM PST by the_conscience

I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?

I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?


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To: Mr Rogers
"I have never and will never go to my Pastor and say, “George, I know you were praying for me, and I want to thank you - without your intercession on my behalf, who knows what would have happened?”"

Doesn't your congregation have prayer circles or other similar prayer requests for the benefit of seriously ill members?

1,221 posted on 01/09/2010 5:49:31 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: Mr Rogers

“Tobit isn’t scripture.

Of course it is.


1,222 posted on 01/09/2010 5:49:45 PM PST by OpusatFR (Tagline not State Approved. Thoughts not State Approved. Actions not State Approved)
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To: Mad Dawg

Fair enough.


1,223 posted on 01/09/2010 5:50:50 PM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Mr Rogers; Quix; NoGrayZone; Dr. Eckleburg
Oooh, hermeneutics. This is that Protestant hocus-pocus which means that we cannot possibly read the scripture in front of our eyes and understand it unless a Protestant pastor 'splains it for us.

No, Sir, the "body which will be delivered for you" is not referring to the Church. Was it the Church (you prefer, I know, "assembly") hanging from the Cross?

1,224 posted on 01/09/2010 5:51:18 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex

I don’t see that as an issue.


1,225 posted on 01/09/2010 5:51:36 PM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

The discussion rambled into the Eucharist being merely a social occasion (however solemn), but I pointed out that in light of 1 Cor 11 there is a literal body of Jesus in the center of it, because of the language being so clear about it.


1,226 posted on 01/09/2010 5:55:02 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Mad Dawg

LOL.

I don’t know!

I just wrote what seemed fitting from my perspective at the time. LOL.

Not trying to offend you, at all.


1,227 posted on 01/09/2010 5:55:27 PM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Natural Law

It’s a pretty surly thing not to thank others for their prayers. I can’t imagine ignoring another person who took the time to pray on my behalf.


1,228 posted on 01/09/2010 5:55:50 PM PST by OpusatFR (Tagline not State Approved. Thoughts not State Approved. Actions not State Approved)
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To: Mr Rogers
Thanking Mary suggests it was her effectiveness in convincing God to do something that resulted in a favorable response, rather than God’s love and mercy and justice.

What a "cabined, cribbed, confined" life! How austere the ways of the Protestant!

If I get what I want, heck, I thank the CAT! I think the weather! I just thank generally!

And yeah I thank intercessors. I don't JUST thank them, but I thank them. And if you saw the smile on the face of someone who entered your pain and anxiety and stood by and prayed with you and for you for your daughter's life, and then you tell him, some years later "God heard our prayers," and you show him the daughter, you'd thank him too.

God forbid I should not thank someone who prayed for me!

1,229 posted on 01/09/2010 5:55:53 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg

Plausibly.

Conceivably.

Sounds fitting enough.

I’m playing hooky from other tasks . . . and half focused and tired so I wouldn’t guarantee much at this point.


1,230 posted on 01/09/2010 5:57:04 PM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Mad Dawg

Sola scriptura teaches that scripture is sufficient for us to be saved by faith in Jesus, and to fully prepare us for “every good work”.

Posting on the Internet is not a good work, by itself.

Proclaiming the Gospel IS a good and joyful work, regardless of the mode of transmission.

Nothing in sola scriptura teaches that you cannot pray to Mary, but the lack of positive instruction to do so suggests it is neither a requirement nor part of “every good work”.

However, praising Mary for an answered prayer IS disturbing, since it suggests she gained your request special attention...as an earthly mother of the King might, although not always with the desired outcome - see 2 Kings 2:

“22King Solomon answered his mother, “And why do you ask Abishag the Shunammite for Adonijah? Ask for him the kingdom also, for he is my older brother, and on his side are Abiathar the priest and Joab the son of Zeruiah.” 23Then King Solomon swore by the LORD, saying, “God do so to me and more also if this word does not cost Adonijah his life! 24Now therefore as the LORD lives, who has established me and placed me on the throne of David my father, and who has made me a house, as he promised, Adonijah shall be put to death today.” 25So King Solomon sent Benaiah the son of Jehoiada, and he struck him down, and he died.”


1,231 posted on 01/09/2010 5:57:47 PM PST by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: Mad Dawg

To me . . . angels is a whole different category and a whole different argument.


1,232 posted on 01/09/2010 5:58:21 PM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
Dear Quix,

Thank you for posting so floridly. I was able to pass your post right by without actually reading it.

Your courtesy in marking out your posts in this manner is much appreciated.


sitetest

1,233 posted on 01/09/2010 5:58:35 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Mr Rogers

I usually quite wholeheartedly agree with your excellent points.

However, I’ve done the following sort of thing at least a time or 3:

I have never and will never go to my Pastor and say, “George, I know you were praying for me, and I want to thank you - without your intercession on my behalf, who knows what would have happened?”

Because it was true.


1,234 posted on 01/09/2010 5:59:43 PM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: OpusatFR

Ahhhhhh . . . yes,

that stuff shoehorned in and labeled also Canon.

Not my reality.


1,235 posted on 01/09/2010 6:00:42 PM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Natural Law; Quix
Since I quit doing psychedelics, I engage with Quix. Gives the same effect and it's legal!

KIDDING!

Quix and I share an interest in and a heart for the psychologically wounded. We also love Jesus and are amazed to tears at His love for us and the gift of the spirit -- even though for me that 'gift' such as it is, has to do with a kind of scholarship and a habit of mind, while for Quix it has more spectacular manifestations, sometimes.

So we reach out to each other out of a kind of affection, but also out of a commitment to the concept that God's love is bigger than our sins.

Of course, I am always the soul of courtesy, while Quix is frequently a jerk. But don't tell him I said so.

Courtesy AND reason. Yeah, and Patience too. [nods.]

1,236 posted on 01/09/2010 6:03:02 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg

Naw.

Not my perspective nor intent.

I tend to be a more the merrier sort of fellow to the extreme many times.

I don’t really expect most of them to chime in. If they do, I think it makes it more interesting. Sometimes more enlightening.

I happen to love folks who are at extreme odds with one another. What else is new. Makes having a party with all of them very challenging.

I’d say . . . scroll on by folks you have such antipathy towards. Why bother about them?


1,237 posted on 01/09/2010 6:03:48 PM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: NoGrayZone

Is it going to be high school debate then? Or do you really not get it?


1,238 posted on 01/09/2010 6:04:22 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mr Rogers

I much agree.

thx.


1,239 posted on 01/09/2010 6:04:28 PM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Mr Rogers

I much agree.

thx.


1,240 posted on 01/09/2010 6:04:28 PM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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