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To: Teófilo; kosta50; MarkBsnr
"However, that raises the question if Jews are saved through observance of the Old Covenant, apart from Christ."

Oh, you know, T, I worked long and hard to stop setting the rules for God and at my advanced age I have pretty much succeeded so I have no definite idea about that. My gut says yes, they are saved by observance of the Old Covenant which cannot be "apart from Christ" since "Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος" but I don't know; way, way above my pay grade, my friend.

"Different perceptions of a phenomenon whose underlying Reality is the same, K."

So the priests and the rabbis around here in my youth always said.

50 posted on 12/27/2009 10:46:16 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis; Teófilo; MarkBsnr
"T: Different perceptions of a phenomenon whose underlying Reality is the same, K."

K: So the priests and the rabbis around here in my youth always said.

That's really stretching it. I am sure no self-respecting Jew would say Christianity is just a different perception of the same underlying reality.

My gut says yes, they are saved by observance of the Old Covenant which cannot be "apart from Christ" since "In the beginning [sic] was the Word..." but I don't know; way, way above my pay grade, my friend.

Well, they leave out the Christ, Kolo. The NT really doesn't leave that option.

53 posted on 12/27/2009 11:07:27 AM PST by kosta50 (Don't look up -- the truth is all around you.)
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