Can Catholics Be Christians?

The Orthodox Presbyterian Church ^

[Quix]

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!

[Happyinmygarden]

LOL

[Quix]

. . . . AND THE ENCRUSTATIONS AND FOSSILIZATIONS

OF CENTURIES OF HUMAN

!!!!TRADITION!!!!

OF COURSE IT WAS. I agree thoroughly.

[MWS]

Thank you so much... you have no idea how much that made my day. :)

[Quix]

I might well agree but I’d love for you to elaborate, first.

[Quix]

The Elderberry syrup . . . SAMBUCUS is not cheap . . . by any means . . . but upping the dosage a bit more than directions has helped me a lot.

Some folks have taken to putting oil of oregano from the stopper bottle on their chests etc. And inhaling steaming water with onions in it.

I think the oil of oregano is antibacterial and the elderberry antiviral.

Prayers . . . has been a long haul. Left me far short for the hospice bowl sale as well as my own stuff to sell.

At least I managed to teach all but to classes though many with lowered energy. Sigh.

Prayers, hugs . . .

[Sir_Ed]

Darnit, I’m sorry to hear that. I’ll keep prayin for you.

It’s been a hard year for a lot of Christians that I know, financial, spiritual, emotional...it’s been hard for a lot of us.

I don’t know if God is testing us, strengthening us, disciplining us or if the times are just turning dark with the lessened light of Christ in the world.

Take care,

Ed

[the_conscience]

then you MUST be able to show PRECISELY where a word or a phrase was used in a dual sense, which is what "equivocal" implies

You equivocated on the source of goodness.

If every good work is grace, does that mean that when Hindu feeds the poor he is acting out of grace or that it is not a good work?

Grace. In this instance a common grace God gives to restrain man from utter depravity.

If there were a dishonest man at your church who claimed to be saved but was notoriously dishonest in his dealings would you buy a used car from him rather than from an atheist with a reputation for square dealing?

If he was a notorious sinner who was plagued with continual sin in a specific area then it is the Churches responsibility to counsel the sinner to repent of that particular sin. Whatever secular dealings I might have with him is really irrelevant to his faith and would depend upon many variables including my own knowledge of his secular vocation.

For the rest, every good gift comes from God. The only thing any human can contribute without God's involvement is sin. That is Catholic teaching.

Understood. But we've come to the chicken or the egg question in our discussion.

[Sir_Ed]

I love the music from the Vatican.

I’m listening to Christmas music right now, a Gregorian chant, utterly beautiful “Let All Mortal Flesh Keep Silent.”

See ya’,

Ed

[the_conscience]

I'm feeling the Christmas spirit and thus generous with my biscuits

Ah yes, the man-made error sola fide makes its appearance.

What's that?

a tinge of man-made TULIP sauce to further poison the palate?

What's TULIP sauce?

Repent.

Repent of what?

[BenKenobi]

Yes, they did teach us about Holy days of obligation.

However, I am not an American.

The only Holy days of Obligation here are January first and Christmas.

[WestwardHo]

Now tell me how you really feel!
Ha! Love it!

Interesting to observe how each side defends it’s position.
Interesting to observe how each participant interpretes what they have been taught.
I love the process of people communicating the things they feel passionate about.

Jesus asked His disciples, “Who do people say that I am?”
How we answer that question is the only thing that matters.

[magisterium]

Thank you for your gracious reply and understanding of the POV which formed the basis of my answers. Yours is a tone to which we can all look as a benchmark, and from which many of us often fall short.

May God bless you during these Advent and Christmas seasons.

[narses]

“My question surrounds the actuality of salvation for all the millions who still practice Mary worship and so forth.”

Well there ya go, the problem. A false to fact calumny.

[Quix]

WELL PUT.

THANKS.

[mockingbyrd]

I have those shoes! They are NOT comfortable. And not made to wear while holding s squirming two year old in the back of the church (which did not involve any Mary worship)

But dang, they look good on. Which is the only reason why I wear shoes..........

[notaliberal]

RE: Mary, Mother of our Lord Jesus Christ......If you are in heaven how can you be dead???

What did Jesus say to the thief on the cross?

"Today shalt thou be with me in paradise" (Luke 23: 43)...

[bdeaner]

I'm a Roman Catholic - and my understanding is that the Church has clarified its teaching that wherever Christ operates in the world, that is the Church operating. At the same time, we believe the Magisterium of the Church has a special charism that is gratuitous and unearned by anyone with a title, which gives those who hold special office protection and guidance, by the Holy Spirit, to preserve and teach the truth of the Lord's word and that Church will never be defeated by our Enemy. Lest we forget, the Enemy however is our common enemy, the Prince of Darkness -- that deceiver who is winning converts everyday, and turning our beloved society into a culture of death and vacuity. When push comes to shove, all Christians are fighting this war together, brother and sister, and in the end, we will have victory. This is Advent season after all: a time for patient waiting for that victory which our faith knows will come, just as we know Christmas will appear on the horizon with its bells and trees and bowed-wrapped presents, announcing the Good News of our Redemption.

God bless.

[Iscool]

“The Blessed Virgin Mary, Queen of the Apostles and savior of the people of Rome, intercede to God for us so that the face of his blessed Son may be shown to our Pope and comfort the Church with the light of the resurrection.”

So Mary is the intercessor between Jesus and God and the Savior of the church of Rome...

But when talking to those on the outside, they'll that's not what it means...

[magisterium]

You're right: humans are inherently fallible, except when they are fulfilling their role as guardians and faithful teachers of the Faith, and doing functioning in those capacities under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. This particular type of infallibility, we recognize, is highly restricted in its nature to matters of faith and morals only, and must be employed only with the explicit acknowledgment that the charism is being invoked. Thus, the pope or an ecumenical council might declare that everyone's favorite color should be blue, and I could respond: "Whatever. That's your opinion. I'm not bound by that. You're certainly wrong in at least my case, since I adamantly maintain my own favorite color to be green, and I will not be persuaded to change. You overstep your authority."

However, if the same authorities declare, say, that Mary is the Mother of God, as in fact happened at the Council of Ephesus in AD 431, then I must give assent, for defining the Faith in such vein is part of their authentic charism, it is protected from error by the Holy Spirit, and is therefore infallible. The individual men who formulated the definition were all sinners, and therefore not infallible at all regarding their personal conduct. But, within the parameters that are needed to be put in place to make sense of Matthew 28:20, John 16:13-15, and the like, these men exercised "infallibility" in authentically interpreting the true doctrine involved. I would, therefore, be required to give my assent of faith to their decision. And I do. So should you. Perhaps you do already, and you can thank the Council of Ephesus for that. Scripture alone done not answer the question very well regarding issues involving "persons," "natures," "essences" and the like, as they pertain to Jesus. Scripture alone is somewhat ambiguous at, at best. As such, it was a legitimate question to figure out: did Mary give birth to God, or only to Jesus' human nature? "Theotokos" is what they came up with to describe how she fit into the equation: she was the "God-bearer." Amen to that!