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To: Colofornian; Vigilanteman

If you could only drive all the Mormons out of Idaho, it would turn into a tolerant, guiltless utopia like Detroit or San Francisco, wouldn’t it?

I don’t understand, Vigilanteman, why we ONLY have a choice between either licentiousness or legalism? That’s offering a false dilemma — that we have to “pick our poisons.”

The cross cuts through the middle of them both. The labor God delighted in was the labor of love of His Son on the cross. The reconciliation it brought with us, former enemies. A rebirth. Regeneration. New enablement, thru His Holy Spirit, to do good deeds out of love & not to earn a spiritual grade. It cuts out all legalism. ‘Cause let’s face it, if we keep commandments & do good deeds because we expect a boomerang “payback,” it’s chock loaded with selfish motivations.

At the same time, the cross humbles us to see our sin on that cross. To know IF there was another price that could be paid other than the Son of God taking the form of a mere man — of which we see this Christmas — & enduring what He did, God would have done it. Knowing what it cost is in itself innoculation and a self-check vs. an anything-goes tolerance.

I mean, why re-nail Christ to the cross over & over again?

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Excellent post, Colofornian. I don’t get why some assume because Christians believe in salvation by Grace alone, that we also WANT to sin, or that we think we have a license to sin.

Recognizing Christ’s suffering and sacrifice on our behalf, and allowing HIM to change us, makes us less likely to WANT to sin not more.


31 posted on 12/03/2009 8:48:49 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut; Colofornian
If I have a car that I don't like, I trade it in on something that suits me better. I don't keep going back and beating on the car which I used to drive.

Now that we've established the fact that you guys hate Mormons because they require more of their members than what you think are the minimum requirements to enter heaven, what is the reason?

Do you think God grades on a curve and they are breaking the curve by requiring more than a mere profession of faith? Or is their unpaid ministry thing just bad for your business?

32 posted on 12/03/2009 9:08:50 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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