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To: boatbums
There is nothing in Paul, for instance, that can possibly be used to develop the Christian doctrine of the Trinity. Paul definitely says nothing about the divinity of the Holy Spirit and only mentions Him a few times. Paul never explicitly calls Jesus God either.

We're here again, aren't we? Go to post #1132 from MrRogers for a discussion ON THIS THREAD about this.

Yes we are. I've answered a number of these quite thoroughly on this and on other threads. Calling Jesus Son of God or Son of Man is not an indication of His divinity. Subordinationalism is tantamount to denying His divinity as well. Certainly to the Trinitarian formula. Minus the writings of John, Scripture is overwhelmingly subordinationalist at best and reducing Jesus to human at worst. It is the Church that took several hundred years to come up Christian trinitarian doctrine and many could not accept it; certainly many of the early Church Fathers didn't hold current Trinitarian beliefs.

See also the post "50 Reasons why we are living in the end times": Interesting. Any reference to Hal Lindsey's understanding of doctrine immediately triggers my laugh reflex. If you think that the current situation was bad, I'd suggest that you research the situation beginning in the mid 900s and look at the situation and the doomsday cults that sprung up then. First millennium, remember.

We discussed this before, remember? Scripture is quite clear about the deity of Jesus Christ. He is the incarnation of Almighty God and the Holy Spirit is also God. Three, yet one.

Some of Scripture is. The Church is clearer.

1,667 posted on 12/20/2009 6:59:48 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr; Mr Rogers
The reason for the reference to the "50 Reasons...End Times.." was NOT to rehash Hal Lindsey, but to point to the many posts where we discussed the scripture texts of Paul explicitly stating Jesus was God...something you keep denying even though the verses were provided. You emphatically state "Paul explicitly never calls Jesus God." yet numerous scriptures are given to disprove that statement. Interpreting them as unclear or ambiguous, when they are very clear, is your attempt to discredit the Bible and hold tradition above it. I am NOT attacking your Church when I say this, please don't read it as such.

I know that you want so much to believe the Catholic Church is the only true source of major doctrine such as the divinity of Jesus Christ and the trinity. I give them credit for stating it in a concrete fashion where there can be little ambiguity as to the doctrinal issue, but they did NOT invent the doctrine. My contention is the church of Jesus Christ - all true Christians - accepted this from revealed scriptures long before the Catholic Church existed formally in Rome.

1,668 posted on 12/20/2009 8:38:03 PM PST by boatbums (Pro-woman, pro-child, pro-life!)
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