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To: boatbums
Then, we find in Luke 2:11, the angel's announcement to the shepherds about the birth of the savior, which is Christ the Lord. Almighty God says he is the only savior. Was the angel mistaken? Also John the Baptist's father, Zacharias, filled with the Holy Spirit, says "Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, and hath raised up a horn of salvation for us..." Luke 1:68-69.

When I talk about the rest of the NT, I try to use the term explicit versus derived or deduced. John 1 is explicit and definitely calls Jesus divine. Most of the other examples require some sort of deduction or cross referencing and are not clear. 'Twas my point. I as a Catholic are a firm believer in the Triune God, in which the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are three Persons of One God, coequal and eternal.

There are many more verses I can provide that clearly say Jesus is God incarnate. How many verses have been redacted from your Bible for you to say Jesus is not divine?

Revelation was written by John, at least, we believe that Revelation was written by the author of John, so the message is the same. Other than John, the verses are few and they require unscrambling. Don't forget that the Jews were looking for a super David, a king on a white horse to lead them to victory on the field of temporal battle and make them a great people. At the time of Jesus, the Romans had been their overlords for a century or so, and had just finished killing tens of thousands of them by crucifixion. The Jewish history was one of bondage and slavery and wandering around the Middle East. They looked for their saviour to be a temporal one, throwing off the yoke of their current masters, not for God Himself to Incarnate.

There is nothing in Paul, for instance, that can possibly be used to develop the Christian doctrine of the Trinity. Paul definitely says nothing about the divinity of the Holy Spirit and only mentions Him a few times. Paul never explicitly calls Jesus God either. Don't let the idea of worship fool you - as I noted earlier, the term worship in the OT was the same word used in the same way to worship God, or to bow to a man of superior state (ie a king).

1,665 posted on 12/20/2009 3:26:40 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr; Mr Rogers
There is nothing in Paul, for instance, that can possibly be used to develop the Christian doctrine of the Trinity. Paul definitely says nothing about the divinity of the Holy Spirit and only mentions Him a few times. Paul never explicitly calls Jesus God either.

We're here again, aren't we? Go to post #1132 from MrRogers for a discussion ON THIS THREAD about this. See also the post "50 Reasons why we are living in the end times":

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2300721/posts

We discussed this before, remember? Scripture is quite clear about the deity of Jesus Christ. He is the incarnation of Almighty God and the Holy Spirit is also God. Three, yet one.

1,666 posted on 12/20/2009 6:27:19 PM PST by boatbums (Pro-woman, pro-child, pro-life!)
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