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To: Mr Rogers; blue-duncan; HarleyD; wmfights; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; RnMomof7; the_conscience
To expect something and plan for it is not to cause it.

So what are God's interventions? Unplanned damage control? God got caught by surprise?

That doesn’t make their hearts bad, but makes manifest the evil that is already there and in control.

You are cherry-picking. The Pharaoh's heart was intentionally hardened not by some "evil" but by God, so that he may not believe. Perhaps the Pharaoh wasn't really a  person with a "bad" heart, but God wanted to make sure it was bad enough (unbelieving) so the Hebrews could have their Exodus, or else there would have been no parting of the sea, no lamb, no blood, no salvation...OMG! :)

The Bible is telling you that in order for good things to happen to some people, God makes sure bad things happen to other people first.  Do you think Judas' decision was an accident God was "waiting" and "hoping" for or was that a foregone outcome? And just who decided that Judas would make "his" decision precisely at that time, and in that place? After all, without Judas making his decision there might not be crucifixion and then what?! God waits for another "opportunity?"

Or did the sin in the Garden just happen and God didn't "plan" it that way? If this life is a movie and God is the director, then God decided how it develops and how it ends; it is all his doing, not just planning. Or else he is not the director and it's not his movie; in other words, he is not sovereign God, the cause of everything and all, and this is not his sole creation.

Of course, the Church doesn't teach this, because it would turn most people off, but the Bible leaves very little doubt that God is doing things, whether it's brining on the Floord, or parting the sea, or turning people into salt, or making believers and unbelievers out of them.

Why? When I anticipate my wife’s needs and take care of them, or she mine, that makes us married, not subservient servants. I look out for her because I love her and want her happiness, as she does with me. Think of it as 2 persons, but “one flesh”...

Is your wife doing what is your will? If so, than she is your servant. I have never heard of God (the Father)  doing anything according to the will of the Son, or as the Spirit wanted! But it is clear that both the Son and the Spirit, at least in the earliest Church, did only and always what the Father (the only one identified as God) willed and wanted.

I am glad you think your wife and you are "one flesh" but two persons. That's nice but very novel. The Bible tells us otherwise. Apostle Paul (who is inspired, remember?) says that "the man is the head of the woman."  That doesn't sound very co-equal to me, but rather as the woman being subordinated to the man, or as Paul says as "Christ is the head of every man, and God is the head of Christ." [1 Cor 11:3]

1,498 posted on 12/15/2009 9:03:34 PM PST by kosta50 (Don't look up -- the truth is all around you)
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To: kosta50

About to head for bed, but not before responding to these:

“So what are God’s interventions? Unplanned damage control?”

No idea what you are talking about. When I worked military plans, the actions we took IAW the plan were part of the plan, not unplanned damage control. When Adam fell, God’s will was not thwarted.

“Is your wife doing what is your will? If so, than she is your servant.”

Then all who love are servants of those they love. My wife cooks, not because she is subservient, but because she loves me.


1,501 posted on 12/15/2009 9:20:44 PM PST by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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