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To: kosta50

Not sure where you get all your proof texts from, but the few you mentioned cannot be considered all the info there is on the subject. I prefer to take people at their own word and not how some others would define them. One of my professors, Dr. Mark Cambron (now deceased), had a specific Christian ministry to the Jews in Miami, FL. You can do a search about it and he was and is not alone, by far.

As to worshipping YAHWEH/Jehovah, he IS the only true God and Jesus Christ is God in the flesh. Isaiah 7:14, 9:6 both prophesy that the Messiah would be the Incarnate God. There are other OT verses as well, as you know, so to say the early Hebrews did not believe in a divine Messiah is simply not correct. And there are hundreds of Messianic prophesies, not just seven. Now the Muslim god, Allah, is NOT the same as YAHWEH. Not even close. To simply say it is just the Arabic word for god is to ignore the description of Allah given by Mohammed. No comparision at all. There is a reason the term Judeo/Christian is used in this country as it recognizes the worship of the one true God.

We sure are hopping all over the theology subject in this post, aren’t we?


1,390 posted on 12/11/2009 7:38:28 PM PST by boatbums (Pro-woman, pro-child, pro-life!)
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To: boatbums
Not sure where you get all your proof texts from, but the few you mentioned cannot be considered all the info there is on the subject

They represent the mainstream. The state of Israel sees Messianic "Jews" as Christians.

Dr. Mark Cambron (now deceased), had a specific Christian ministry to the Jews in Miami, FL

And that proves what?

As to worshipping YAHWEH/Jehovah, he IS the only true God and Jesus Christ is God in the flesh.

Sure, except that the Christian God also includes the Son and the Holy Spirit which the Jews reject, so obviously the Christian God is not the same as the Hebrew God YHWH.

Isaiah 7:14, 9:6 both prophesy that the Messiah would be the Incarnate God.

He did no such thing. That is something the Christians made up.

There are other OT verses as well, as you know, so to say the early Hebrews did not believe in a divine Messiah is simply not correct

Obviously you don't know the history of Israel. Messianic apocalypticism does not appear before the Maccabean revolt in 160 BC. All the alleged OT prophesies of the coming messiah in the OT were written either at that time (Daniel) or are misinterpreted to mean what they do not mean.

There would have been no reason to have a messiah before the 2nd century BC revolt. The Jews believed the punishment and suffering they endured was something they deserved for disobeying God and that it was all God's doing for their digressions. Why would they need a messiah for that? LOL!

There is nothing more blasphemous for Judaism than a "divine messiah."

And there are hundreds of Messianic prophesies, not just seven.

Written after the fact (as in Daniel) or misinterpreted.

Now the Muslim god, Allah, is NOT the same as YAHWEH. Not even close

Maybe you can enlighten us as to why? I am listening...

To simply say it is just the Arabic word for god is to ignore the description of Allah given by Mohammed. No comparision at all.

How so?

There is a reason the term Judeo/Christian is used in this country as it recognizes the worship of the one true God.

You are right about "this country" and nowhere else in the world, for a good reason. And the term is use only by a segment of Evangelical Christians and idiots like bill O'Reilley. The (real) Jews would never use it. The Jews think of Christians what the mainline Christians think of Mormons.

How can Judeao-Christian recognize the worship of the one true God? The Jews reject Christ as God. They literally reject the Christian God! Do you eve realize that? Probably not because you wouldn't be saying such nonsense.  Now, the Christians say that they worship the same God of the OT as the Jews do, but that's obviously a one-way belief. The Jews don't share that belief and in fact are offended that we interpret their own faith and God for them.

In Judaism there is no room for other divine persons.

1,393 posted on 12/11/2009 11:22:40 PM PST by kosta50 (Don't look up -- the truth is all around you)
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