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To: 1010RD
Thanks for the explanation. It just seems that a fundamental tenet of Western thought is the absence of ex post facto punishments.

Catholic belief is in the permanent state of the Judged after death. Some call hell punishment, the Church rather believes that it is what one calls down upon oneself.

What is the CC (you mean Catholic Church, right?) view of Hell and the afterlife. There is no more Limbo, right? What about Purgatory? I looked at Wikipedia, but want it straight.

As straight as I can. Hell is the place of Judgement for those who are unrepentent sinners. Since Jesus has died and conquered death, there is no more need for Limbo. Purgatory is not a place - it is a process in which the impure sinners who are Judged for salvation are made pure so that they can enter Heaven.

Is their a baptism by desire still? That is can those who would have still get salvation?

This is beyond Church teaching in any rigourous fashion and way beyond me. The Church teaches the way to salvation is through Jesus. There may be ways that baptism by desire works, but I am not prepared nor am I capable of fully and rationally dicussing them.

1,360 posted on 12/10/2009 7:25:50 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr; 1010RD
Hell is the place of Judgement for those who are unrepentent sinners

The Church does not teach that it is a place but a "state (or condition) of a soul." Technically peaking a soul could be in "heaven" right next to a soul that is in "hell."

1,364 posted on 12/10/2009 11:17:24 PM PST by kosta50 (Don't look up -- the truth is all around you)
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