Origen's condemnation came as an afterthought (6th century. I would say that in his days (early third century), he was pretty much representative of most other Christian theologians in his suboridnationalist Trinitarian doctrine (Eusebius being another fine example, as well as all other Christian Apologetics worth mentioning). His teaching of the universal salvation of the souls (eventual annihilation of hell and salvation of the condemned) was taught by his followers, one of whom is a pillar of Christian orthodoxy, +Gregory of Nyssa, one of the three Cappadocian Fathers. +Gregory later recanted this doctrine, but for a while apparently it was not considered outside of the mainline Christian belief. In fact, Origen's works were compiled in the first volume of the collection of Christian doctrinal classics known as Philokalia, a treasure pit of Patristic writings in four volumes.
Unrecognizable to whom?
Doctrinally unrecognizable to the Church.
Mark: Which on the face of it is so much gibberish. Christ is God. We do not believe that God 'grows' since he is the be-all and end-all and is one with the universe.
1010RD: Also Jesus growing up from grace to grace is not prima facie gibberish at all, but the NT Greek (which I do not speak - Kosta or Kolo would you mind commenting on the better/best translation?) [Luke 2:40]
Tenten, first I don't speak Greek, but I can read koine Greek. My language expertise is in Church Slavonic, the closest equivalent to koine Greek, by design. Kolo is the speaker of Greek. He hears that language in divine liturgy every Sunday, so he is your first choice when it comes to correct interpretation/opinion in Greek.
Second, let me clear up something: Synoptic Gospels do not portray a divine Jesus. So, if you are looking for Jesus' divinity, John is the source (and even he is not always consistent).
Third, the Church looks at the Incarnate Logos as fully God and fully human, so in his humanity (i.e. in his human nature) Jesus would be growing up as any other child, including from grace to grace.
Second, let me clear up something: Synoptic Gospels do not portray a divine Jesus. So, if you are looking for Jesus' divinity, John is the source (and even he is not always consistent).
Agreed to a point. What or how do you define divine?
Third, the Church looks at the Incarnate Logos as fully God and fully human, so in his humanity (i.e. in his human nature) Jesus would be growing up as any other child, including from grace to grace.
Words mean something "and" is not "or", "fully" is not "partially". I understand how a child grows, but how can God grow from grace to grace? It doesn't make sense.
I must run, but I love these discussions and cannot wait to hear Mark's and Kolo's perspectives.