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To: kosta50
Why do you have to love him?

You don't but you could try it and see what results. Turn your "conditioning" on its head and see what happens. Observe where the resistance to this comes from and what's required to overcome it. See if there is anything to be learned about who we really are from this.

What's the point?

The same one as before as all during our discussion. To explore for truth and see if Jesus teachings apply. Simply observe, with the eyes of a child, drop the preconditioning, the anger, the fear, the resentment. Replace it with openness to whatever is, trust.

In essence, I'm agreeing with you: You can't figure it all out.

Stop trying. Surrender. And see what happens.

What do you have to lose? Where else do you have to go from here?

1,232 posted on 12/06/2009 11:04:11 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr
You don't but you could try it and see what results

What does it mean to love your enemies?

Turn your "conditioning" on its head and see what happens.

You die. Remember you are dealing with your enemy. If the devil is God's enemy, as we are told, why doesn't God love him and 'convert' him through such love (what other purpose would loving your enemies have?). After all, loving your archenemy would be a great example...but instead God prepared a lake of fire for his enemy...there is no forgiveness for him!

You try it. Okay? I am not interested in that type of research.

After all, Jesus' "pacifism" was calculated. He had to die! He didn't let his enemies try to kill him because he loved them (and that "Forgive them because they don't know what they do" what was that all about?), but because he wanted them to try to kill him so he can die. It was in the "plan."

So, he could afford to love his enemies knowing that he will win in the end. Besides, he didn't forgive nor forget! His enemies are all going to the lake of burning sulfur — the retirement community for God's enemies, all expenses paid in pain! But not to worry, God loves them. Tough love.

To explore for truth and see if Jesus teachings apply. Simply observe, with the eyes of a child,

That's right, naive, gullible unsuspecting children...who know nothing and believe in Santa...ignorance is bliss. That's how God wants us?

In essence, I'm agreeing with you: You can't figure it all out.

Welcome!

Stop trying. Surrender. And see what happens

We know what happens — we die. Beyond that...tabula rasa. Nothing you can do about it, whether you are kicking and screaming or just accepting it for better or for worse. That is our unfailing destiny.

What do you have to lose?

A life.

Where else do you have to go from here?

This is it. That's how it is and no amount of speculation will change what's to come. So, be merry and enjoy the fruits of your life if you are lucky. Unfortunately, one child dies painfully every five seconds in the world from hunger.

We can of course deal with this reality as we deal with any other reality that doesn't concern us directly, we can sigh and say it's terrible and then stuff our faces with more pizza than we need or that is healthy. But if we had to watch those children in front of us we would probably lose our appetite for food or even for life.

So, we deal with our reality by hiding from it and creating castles in the sky for our "spiritual bodies" while living what is hell for most humanity, where even safe drinking water is a luxury, and most of it is our own doing.

Just think how many children have died of hunger just during our discourse. Don't you feel we "accomplished" something by pursuing theoretical Jesus' teachingand speculating if he existed or not? Wouldn't you better test your theories by looking reality right in the eye, and live like Mother Thersea (who lost her faith too, but not her heart)?

1,234 posted on 12/07/2009 12:06:11 AM PST by kosta50 (Don't look up -- the truth is all around you)
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