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To: PugetSoundSoldier

The Catholic Church teaches that only God is our judge. We teach that certain sins and circumstances put one in jeopardy of eternal damnation. Mortal sins put your soul into a condition that may make it impossible for you to be accepted into heaven. However, only God, who knows every fiber of your being, can sift the mercy and blame in judgment.

The Church does not condemn people, only actions. We leave it up to God to judge and we refrain from judging others. As the passage you quoted from the Catechism says, if you truly and absolutely know in your heart that the Catholic Church is the one, true Church founded by Christ and you deliberately turn your back on it, you would be, in essence, turning your back on Christ and you would risk your salvation. That is why Catholics are so sad to hear that some of us make the choice to leave the Church.

Still, only God will be the judge of all the circumstances that caused a person to leave the one, true Church. He will determine the level of understanding the person had when they were making that decision. He will know the level of commitment and spirituality of that individual soul and judge accordingly. We believe God is not only just, but merciful. The balance between the two is God’s alone to know. We do not know everything about the mind of God. Faith is a gift and the gifts of the Spirit are meted out individually according to God’s plan. Some people do not receive the gift of discernment. Is that their fault?

We do not know if Bill Gates, you, me, a pagan, an aborted baby, or Hitler will definitely be saved. But we do know that at the moment of judgment, God will sift each soul fairly and mercifully at the same time. I personally think that God will not reject aborted babies, pagans who never had the opportunity to hear a good argument for believing in Christ, or the mentally ill. There could also be scenarios in which a person heard the Gospel and lived a bad life, but in the last moment of his life he sacrificed himself to save an innocent person (”Greater love hath no man than to give up his life for another.”) and God might value that moment of supreme love and goodness more than anything else. We don’t know.

We do know the Good Shepherd searches for each soul until the very last moment and is watching and waiting for the lost sheep with love and anxiety. We know that if we turn to Christ with our last breath, He will be there holding out His arms to us in acceptance. If Bill Gates, you, I, or Hitler do that, how can we know what God will do? Remember, there are many rooms in Heaven.

Christ is the doorway to Heaven. It is a source of concern to Catholics that many Protestants see being “saved” as such a black and white issue. All things are possible with God— even loving, undeserved mercy. Christ was merciful and understanding, many times, to those no one thought deserved it. He delighted in loving the most hated, most reviled, most public sinners.

All these reasons are why the Catholic Church says we do not judge; only God can judge each individual. We leave it to Him. I hope I answered your question.


148 posted on 11/23/2009 9:47:42 AM PST by Melian ("Here's the moral of the story: Catholic witness has a cost." ~Archbishop Charles Chaput)
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To: Melian
Christ is the doorway to Heaven. It is a source of concern to Catholics that many Protestants see being “saved” as such a black and white issue.

Christ Himself made it a black and white issue. "No man comes to the Father BUT THROUGH ME". That's pretty exclusive, isn't it? There is Christ and NO OTHER WAY. Period. That is black and white. Do you mean there is another way, other than Christ?

Can you work your way into Heaven? If yes, then Christ is not the only way. If no, then Christ is the only way. It's pretty black-and-white.

What does the Catholic Church teach? See Catechism 846. Your contention that you do not judge is counter to the foundational documents of your own Church, for 846 is quite explicit: if you leave the Catholic Church you are not saved, and if you do not have faith in Christ you are not saved.

That seems pretty black and white to me. The fact that most Catholics are uncomfortable with that shows just how far most Catholics have compromised the message of Christ and their own Church's teachings, in the name of "being inclusive".

Here's the dirty little secret: Christianity is quite exclusionary! There is but a single way to salvation: faith in Jesus Christ. That's the point, that's the fundamental teaching, that's the key. It's extremely exclusionary. And if you try to water it down, you are literally denying the words of Christ and the teachings of the Bible - you are not Christian.

All these reasons are why the Catholic Church says we do not judge; only God can judge each individual. We leave it to Him. I hope I answered your question.

Funny, Catholics have no problem judging all protestants, telling us that you hope we'll recognize our errors, "come home to the Church" and the like. See the references in this very thread! You determine that we Christians who are not Catholic are fallen and in error, but oh no - you don't judge!

No, you don't judge, and thus you make yourself irrelevant. Live and let live, eh? Sorry, the Buddhists beat you to that philosophy (by about 550 years) and do it a lot better. But when someone came along and pointed out the fallacies and evil within your Church, you were all about condemnation and judgment then. And when someone worships Christ in a way you don't like, or in a church outside your own perfumed halls, why, they're lost and need to be saved and see the light.

Hypocrisy, thou art Catholic.

Here's a question for you: will I be saved? Answer truthfully, please. Will I be saved? I can tell you that I was raised Catholic, chose to be a protestant who worships in a Free Methodist church. Will I be saved?

149 posted on 11/23/2009 10:14:37 AM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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