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To: T Minus Four

No, I meant the passage that I indicated, Mt 18:17-18, where Jesus explains that the Church — not you and not your pastor — is the final rule of faith.

It is true that all popes are flawed human beings starting with St. Peter himself. The issue on hand, however, — rules of fasting — are within episcopal authority, not papal authority. If you have questions about the papacy, I’d be happy to answer, but it is somewhat unrelated to the topic.

It is also true that Jesus has the ultimate authority in all matters. The role of the Church is indeed to teach us all the He commands, and he commanded us to fast, just as He fasted Himself (see the main article).


30 posted on 11/12/2009 1:23:19 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex
What in the sam hill...who told you that's what it meant? Read it, but start with verse 15 for some context:

A Brother Who Sins Against You

"If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses'. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector. Matthew 18:15-17

This is about resolving disputes between believers. You talk to the one who wronged you, but if that doesn't resolve it, you take it before a couple other believers. If that doesn't bring resolution, you bring it before the entire body of believers, who then can ostrasize him, if that's what it takes.

I can't understand what this has to do with fish on Friday rules and Jesus abdicating His authority..

31 posted on 11/12/2009 2:03:10 PM PST by T Minus Four
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To: annalex

And please how me where God commanded us to fast.


33 posted on 11/12/2009 2:11:36 PM PST by T Minus Four
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