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To: DouglasKC
"Someday soon the weight of scientific evidence bolstering creation will be such that there will be no denying its source."

Too bad too much of this discussion is binary. Too often those who don't accept the abracadabra event of creation are labeled heretics. That includes those of us, including Charles Darwin, who fully accept that God created all life and used the process of evolution to do it.

27 posted on 11/07/2009 9:24:13 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law; DouglasKC
Too often those who don't accept the abracadabra event of creation are labeled heretics. That includes those of us, including Charles Darwin, who fully accept that God created all life and used the process of evolution to do it.

So, why are you limiting God as to how He could do creation? What's wrong with Him simply speaking it into existence in a moment's time?

Why force it, and Him, into the time frame you wish and demand that it is right?

Why do evos insist in portraying God doing something instantly as being equivalent as magic and God being a magician besides merely to discredit that belief in instantaneous creation?

And how do you know that He DIDN'T do it instantaneously? Did He tell you so?

Why are evos so quick to condemn creationists for insisting on a shorter time frame for creation and allegedly condemning others for not accepting it and yet turn around demand that creationists accept evos time frame and condemn non-evos for not accepting it?

Why the double standard?

34 posted on 11/07/2009 10:39:48 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Natural Law

Wrong again, as CD said in his autobiography:

“Although I did not think much about the existence of a personal God until a considerably later period of my life, I will here give the vague conclusions to which I have been driven. The old argument of design in nature, as given by Paley, which formerly seemed to me so conclusive, fails, now that the law of natural selection has been discovered. We can no longer argue that, for instance, the beautiful hinge of a bivalve shell must have been made by an intelligent being, like the hinge of a door by man. There seems to be no more design in the variability of organic beings and in the action of natural selection, than in the course the wind blows. Everything in nature is the result of fixed laws.”

Nothing made by an intelligent being, everything the result of fixed laws.


36 posted on 11/07/2009 11:02:29 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Natural Law
"Someday soon the weight of scientific evidence bolstering creation will be such that there will be no denying its source." Too bad too much of this discussion is binary. Too often those who don't accept the abracadabra event of creation are labeled heretics. That includes those of us, including Charles Darwin, who fully accept that God created all life and used the process of evolution to do it.

Looking at the creation as an abracadabra moment is kind of a simplistic way to look at it. The actual creation of the physical creation from basic elements of course required an advanced Godly knowledge of mathematics, chemistry, engineering, astrophysics, geology...etc. etc. The fact that we don't KNOW the mechanisms involved in it's creation doesn't mean that it was magic.

Look at a modern car. It take less than an hour to completely assemble a car. Each part can be manufactured in a relatively short amount of time. I think it's probably fair to say that if we had to start from scratch and build a car it would take 18 to 24 hours to completely manufacture every part and assemble it. Yet if I saw a car and was ignorant of how it was manufactured I would guess that somebody made it because of it's complexity. But I would also assume that it didn't take millions of years. I would give people more credit than that.

48 posted on 11/08/2009 7:10:22 AM PST by DouglasKC
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