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To: D-fendr

Honestly, yeah. If you have something in there you want to cut and paste, please do. I took a glance at it and I don’t see the contradictions you are referring to.

If you are insinuating that we, as Freemasons, endeavor to improve ourselves and live a good life then you are right. If you are insinuating that we endeavor to look to God establish what our right path in life is to live eternally in His glory, then again you are right.

What you don’t seem to understand is that Freemasonry doesn’t teach us about God, His lessons or how to achieve salvation. We encourage our Faith in God. We work to be good and moral men with men from all walks/faiths of life.

It’s so interesting that people have a problem with that.


196 posted on 05/01/2011 5:00:31 PM PDT by MAK1179 (Obama in SPELLCHECK corrects itself to Osama...coincidence?)
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To: MAK1179
Thanks for your reply.

If you have something in there you want to cut and paste, please do.

Below, in the blockquotes, is material from the previous links.

I want to emphasize that I'm not criticizing the value or teaching, morals, principles, etc. of Freemasonry. What I am pointing out is certain contradictions, particularly as seeming blindness to the religious/spiritual aspects. E.g.:

There is no teaching of any equality of Faith, the same way there is no path to salvation in the Fraternity.

29° Knight of St. Andrew. This degree emphasizes the Masonic teachings of equality and toleration. We are reminded that no one man, no one Church, no one religion, has a monopoly of truth; that while we must be true and faithful to our own convictions, we must respect the opinions of others.

…The great lesson of this degree is that life, when properly, is but a bridge to eternal life.

No, Masonry doesn’t teach anything about anyone’s Faith.

These truths teach morals, religious and philosophical understandings. This degree helps one to comprehend Deity, the forces of nature and good and evil. Its triangular shape relates to the "fourth great light, which reminds us of the Deity and his attributes". 

This degree attempts to explain the conceptualities of celestial purity and the eternal soul of man.

18° Knight of the Rose Croix of H.R.D.M. The lessons taught in this degree are that man must have a new Temple in his heart where God is worshipped in spirit and in truth and that he must have a new law of love which all men everywhere may understand and practice. This degree affirms the broad principles of universality and tolerance.

In this degree we explore for "the rewards of the trinity of Gods attributes - wisdom or intelligence, force or strength, harmony or beauty". The apron is scarlet, bordered in white, with a green triangle (point-down) in the center. In the triangle are the initials of force, wisdom and harmony, and a flaming heart of gold with the initials I.H.S. (Jesus Hominum Salvator or Imperium, Harmonia, Sapientia). 

Various other examples of the religious aspect:

Freemasonry is a compelling and conquering spiritual force, and the reasons are revealed in the Scottish Rite Degrees. Scottish Freemasonry is the foe of intolerance, fanaticism, and superstition. It battles every form of racial and sectarian prejudice and bigotry. It is a mighty exponent of freedom in thought, religion, and government. Thus, the Scottish Rite is a rite of instruction. It interprets the symbols and allegories of Masonry in the light of history and philosophy using the words of the supreme prophets of humanity, ceremonies of the great religions of the world, and significant episodes from history to point the moral and adorn the tale…

…The Apocalypse, indeed, is a book as obscure as the Sohar.
It is written hieroglyphically with numbers and images; and the Apostle often appeals to the intelligence of the Initiated. “Let him who hath knowledge, understand! let him who understands, calculate!” he often says, after an allegory or the mention of a number. Saint John, the favorite Apostle, and the Depositary of all the Secrets of the Saviour, therefore did not write to be understood by the multitude.
The Sephar Yezirah, the Sohar, and the Apocalypse are the completest embodiments of Occultism. They contain more meanings than words; their expressions are figurative as poetry and exact as numbers…


198 posted on 05/01/2011 5:32:12 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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