[elcid1970]

“Knights of Columbus pancake breakfasts”

What, no grits?

Anyway, reading this thread and recalling the centuries long prohibition against Freemasonry for Catholics like me, I tend to believe that it is based upon the inherent Pelagianism in the group. Salvation through self-improvement with Jesus as an example rather than as our Lord, directly contradicts the Christian message of salvation through divine grace.

In fact, salvation through self-improvement by achieving higher and higher degrees of perfection sounds a great deal like the teachings of Mormonism, a sect in which aprons and other sacred garments are also ceremonially presented.

[Campion]

Historically, the Mormons got their aprons and stuff from the Freemasons. (Joseph Smith was a Mason.)

Masonry is both Pelagian and indifferentist ("all religions are good").

[Zionist Conspirator]

Anyway, reading this thread and recalling the centuries long prohibition against Freemasonry for Catholics like me, I tend to believe that it is based upon the inherent Pelagianism in the group. Salvation through self-improvement with Jesus as an example rather than as our Lord, directly contradicts the Christian message of salvation through divine grace.

This is ironic considering that Fundamentalist Protestants (many of whom are doubtless Masons) regard the Catholic Church and its doctrine as "Pelagian."

NB: This is merely an observation. I am not criticizing the Catholic position on Masonry.

[TheThirdRuffian]

” tend to believe that it is based upon the inherent Pelagianism in the group. Salvation through self-improvement with Jesus as an example rather than as our Lord, directly contradicts the Christian message of salvation through divine grace.”

Absolute nonsense. The fraternity has NO TEACHINGS or beliefs regarding salvation.

None.

Nada.

Zip.

That’s like saying the Marines or Boy Scouts are guilty of “Pelagianism” because they promise to make you a better man.