Posted on 10/29/2009 3:45:12 PM PDT by NYer
“If they tried to nail that satanic garbage on my front door they’d get a load of buckshot between the eyes.”
I guess that one went over your head.
Ok, since the hysterical wing of the RCC is on this thread, buckshot, eh? Your team used to be satisfied with simply burning Protestants at the stake. The RCC doesn’t change it’s ways quickly, you might have to check the “Dealing with Heretics” manual to see if shotguns are permitted.
When you actually throw the bums out and keep it that way for more than a couple electoral cycles, I'll listen to how the Republic is supposed to stand without religion. So far, your score is zero.
You are not free. When the government forces you to pay for other people's abortions, just to pick one example, you perhaps do not mind, but free you are not.
In Protestant countries. In Japan, it is probably known as Shintoist work ethics. The Soviet Union had this distinction: Hero of Socialist Labor, and it was given to people who indeed worked very hard. But what does it have to do with Catholicism's fundemental conservatism and Protestantism's definitional liberalism?
“In Protestant countries. In Japan, it is probably known as Shintoist work ethics. The Soviet Union had this distinction: Hero of Socialist Labor, and it was given to people who indeed worked very hard. But what does it have to do with Catholicism’s fundemental conservatism and Protestantism’s definitional liberalism?”
I was illustrating absurd, stupid, tribalist, religious sweeping statements. Nice of you to chime in with your contribution.
Are you a fundamentalist plant?
Do you have any idea how much you hurt the cause and case of Catholics with your comments?
Admit it - you are a NY Times reporter who joined FR to make Catholics look bad!
“Do you have any idea how much you hurt the cause and case of Catholics with your comments?”
He apparently truly believes it, and you, if you are Catholic, are so far the only one that has a problem with it.
Who said we could stand without religion?
You are suggesting we cannot survive without religion ENFORCED.
Compulsory submission to religious authority is the most false and servile sort of conversion, and a debasement of faith.
And make no mistake, secular authority is backed by lethal force. Do you think mens deepest convictions should be subject to secular authority exercised by religious hierarchy at the point of a gun?
Really?
And you think that is small government conservatism?
Really?
Where did I say that?
What I did say, is that the republic cannot legitimately operate by allowing the democratic process to intrude into the moral law, and I gave specific example where such intrusion is happening.
“’m Baptist. Vlad is a caricature, like Westboro Baptist Church - not a real church, and not Baptist, just hate.”
Well, I guess that makes it unanimous. All Catholics on this thread are anti-Protestant bigots. Ironic, eh?
Otherwise they would have spoken up about such a ridiculous sweeping statement. Still, it would have been nice to have at least one see reason.
Of course, you and I both know that this is not representative of Catholics in general, whom I have as friends, colleagues and neighbors, just the ones on this thread, apparently.
You know who you are.
It is a sweeping statement indeed, this is why no one should act offended. There are conservative Protestants and there are liberal Catholics. The question is, which religion is fundamentally liberal and which is fundamentally conservative, and, as I explained in #35 and prior couple of posts, Catholicism is conservative because it refers to the immutable 2,000 years old authority of the Church, and Protestantism is liberal because it starts with a literal premise of individual interrpetation of the Scripture. We conserve, you scatter.
All your quotes that made me surmise this follow......
There are many systems of government that maintain universal moral code and leaving moral disputes to the religious authority and the independent juduciary”
“the very idea that getting someone elected constitutes legitimate government is laughable”
the republic cannot legitimately operate by allowing the democratic process to intrude into the moral law
Abortion, euthanasia, medical experimentation on humans, gay “marriage”, no fault divorce are moral issues that modern democratic governments often decide wrongly.
One (a government) where moral issues are not put to the vote.
be free from the tyranny of the democratic process which imposes moral decisions on them contrary to the authority of their faith, that is, contrary to the true, religious authority.
“Catholicism is conservative because it refers to the immutable 2,000 years old authority of the Church, and Protestantism is liberal because it starts with a literal premise of individual interrpetation of the Scripture. We conserve, you scatter.”
No my friend. The Protestant Reformation attempted to save what was Catholic and scattered. The Church you have now was not always as it is. Protestants made you fix what was broken in your Church, in the process, we found something good, too.
We should both be happy and thankful for the Protestant movement.
Elections for the purpose of economic policy or foreign policy are fine. Elections that violate fundamental ethical beliefs are not fine. Those are the kind that delegitimize governments. The current health care bill railroaded through congress, for example, will go a long way further delegitimizing this government.
Note also that we are not talking about esoteric religious disciplines such as fasting, dress codes, etc. We are talking matters of universal ethics, on which, by the way, there is agreement between all major religions.
If you see something salutary in the movement that scattered moral and religious authority, go ahead and celebrate that, but don’t call that thing conservative. It is not. You have not conserved a thing.
“You have not conserved a thing.”
Catholicism of the Reformation era did nothing about the pox amongst them. It was the Protestants that acted and saved your church.
I know you resent Protestants, I get that. You shouldn’t though, if you love your church.
Catholicism is liberal.
It changes dogma via the Magisterium, and in the process wandered away from the Orthodox, and then forced the Reformation by a string of power hungry Popes who taxed the living daylights out of everything in true Obama fashion, while believing they were God’s representative on earth - in true Obama fashion.
See how easy it is?
Calling names is much easier than thinking. But neither you nor Vlad impress anyone by doing so.
Well thank you for not wanting to enforce fasting and dress codes, but apparently you think how people can form and dissolve their unions should be subject to this authority.
This is not conservative. This is not limited government.
There is a legitimate purpose in the government preventing people from committing a crime as defined by its citizenry.
There is no legitimate purpose in the government preventing people from sinning according to religious authority.
That is a servile and debased faith that needs government force behind it. Have you seen Saudi Arabians when they escape their ‘kingdom’?
I suggest you read what our founding fathers said about religious authority.
You wrote:
“Are you a fundamentalist plant?”
No. Are you?
“Do you have any idea how much you hurt the cause and case of Catholics with your comments?”
Yes - not at all. Nothing I have ever said here at FreeRepublic could in any way harm the “cause or case of Catholics”. Our cause is truth. That’s all I post.
“Admit it - you are a NY Times reporter who joined FR to make Catholics look bad!”
Since nothing I say here makes Catholics look bad, your idea is bizarre to say the least.
You wrote:
“I’m Baptist. Vlad is a caricature, like Westboro Baptist Church - not a real church, and not Baptist, just hate.”
I don’t hate anybody - not even Westboro Baptist Church members who I ran across in person more than once. I pitied them for their bizarre views and twisted theology. Then again, I pity all Protestants to one extent or another.
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