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To: Titanites; MamaB
It's not hard to understand, unless you're under the man-made tradition of once saved, always saved. With their faith declaration locking in salvation, asking for forgiveness, or not, if they commit a sin doesn't change their status.

Either we are saved by grace or we are saved by works. Either we deserve our salvation or it is undeserved mercy. It cannot be both. Paul was pretty clear:

Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then [is it] no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if [it be] of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

So...if we are saved by grace, we STAY saved by grace because we haven't received Heaven yet. To say we are saved by grace but must work to stay saved, is a contradiction. It is a "strawman" to to call this "easy-believism" or to say it gives people a license to sin. Nothing is further from the truth and totally discounts the work of the Holy Spirit in our lives and the discipline of our Heavenly Father.

236 posted on 10/28/2009 2:44:06 PM PDT by boatbums (Pro-woman, pro-child, pro-life!)
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To: boatbums
Either we are saved by grace or we are saved by works.

Bzzzzt. A common error.

We are saved by faith and works.

238 posted on 10/28/2009 2:45:30 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: boatbums
Either we are saved by grace or we are saved by works.

It's not "either/or". Both are required if you stick with Scripture.

Rom 11:6

A good dissertation to the Jews that works of the law, or the old covenant, are of no avail.

To say we are saved by grace but must work to stay saved, is a contradiction.

It's not a contradicition in Scripture. Just understand that in the Letter of James it is not talking about the old covenant, but the new, when discussing "works".

259 posted on 10/28/2009 4:32:31 PM PDT by Titanites
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