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To: papertyger

Really? You’ve shown me how Jude is about the Pope, because the sin of Korah was rebellion against Moses? And Korah expected to take over Moses’ role as prophet...how?

What did Korah want? To be a priest like Aaron’s sons.

Ultimately, their specific complaint - a desire to be priests - was also a complaint against Moses and God. “But if the LORD creates something new, and the ground opens its mouth and swallows them up with all that belongs to them, and they go down alive into Sheol, then you shall know that these men have despised the LORD.”

So Jude has these evil men following 3 sins: “For they walked in the way of Cain and abandoned themselves for the sake of gain to Balaam’s error and perished in Korah’s rebellion.”

They walked in the way of Cain, who was upset with God because his sacrifice didn’t please God - ie, they want to be accepted by God on their own terms. They abandoned themselves for the sake of gain - they forsook true prophecy to make money from false. And they “perished in Korah’s rebellion.” As far as Jude is concerned, they have already been judged by God for acting like Korah, who rebelled against God by trying to take an office he wasn’t given by God, and rejecting the revelation by God of the proper office.

Again, this describes the Pope better than it defends him.

Like Cain, the Pope and the church that follows him has rebelled against God’s plan of salvation. Rather than the one time sacrifice of Jesus Christ making us perfect forever (Heb 10), it requires multiple participations in the sacrifice of Jesus to cleanse from sin. Instead of “made us alive together with Christ— by grace you have been saved— 6and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus”, it imposes a requirement for multiple good works, has no assurance of salvation, and creates a place unknown to the Apostles where Christians are punished after death until they become good enough - again, denying that Christ made us perfect forever!

It has created a system to draw in money, for a time selling forgiveness of sin for cash. It has tickled men’s ears with what they want to hear - that they are sick in their sins, but can participate in their own salvation and make themselves ready for grace.

And it has created a priesthood without revelation, offering sacrifices contrary to the one time sacrifice of Jesus Christ. The Pope has claimed to be CINC of Bishops, and Vicar of Christ in the place of the Holy Spirit. Not content with rebelling against the offices God ordained in scripture via the Apostles, he has taken on the role of God himself. And his judgment by God is just as certain as Korah’s.


250 posted on 11/15/2009 9:14:20 PM PST by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: Mr Rogers
multiple participations in the sacrifice of Jesus to cleanse from sin

Thank you. This is very carefully formulated and I have no quarrel with this way of describing the liturgy.

But then you say

[the Catholic Church is] offering sacrifices contrary to the one time sacrifice of Jesus Christ

If the Catholic Chruch were offering such sacrifices, that would have been indeed preposterous. But does it? Your careful formulation of the nature of the Mass does not support the cheap and untrue propagandistic caricature of what the Mass is.

Like Bishop Sheen, and may others said, your fight is against the caricature of the Church, in which all Catholics would join you if it were grounded in fact.

251 posted on 11/15/2009 11:54:37 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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