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To: Kolokotronis; papertyger

***I have every business, however, to suggest to you that you, a subject of +BXVI, the most patristic pope in at least 1000 years, perhaps even the first Father of The Church to appear in that same 1000 years, to read the Fathers if you want to seriously discuss these issues! Tell us what you find about Jude 11 and then you’ll be taken seriously.***

Interesting. We have had that ravaged street preacher posting among other things, Jude 11. Many Latin Catholics do not realize strongly enough that we are a Church of the Fathers, and not a church of whatever falls out of Scripture today depending on our alcohol intake. This is a continuous Church, one in which the Consensus Patrum holds sway, and not any individual who happens to take the reins or the imagination of others.

***At our best, and frankly there has been plenty of “best” here, we have lived up to the charge that the first two hierarchs of Christendom have laid upon us. At other times, thankfully mostly in the past, we have come to verbal blows...and then usually come to recognize each other as fully members of The Church and so brothers and sisters, albeit separated and with differing opinions, our bishops no longer in communion.***

It is our bishops, full of pride and hubris, that have kept us at arms’ length for a millennium. The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops. It was true when this was coined; it is true now.

We are one Church, we are not legion. Else we are no better than the children of the Reformation, believing on the whims of the day, the contents of our stomachs, and the opinions of our wives.


102 posted on 11/01/2009 5:42:19 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
Else we are no better than the children of the Reformation, believing on the whims of the day, the contents of our stomachs, and the opinions of our wives

Worth repeating.

105 posted on 11/01/2009 8:01:43 PM PST by kosta50 (Don't look up, the truth is all around you)
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