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To: UriÂ’el-2012; narses; Petronski; NYer

Just a few problems with your cut & paste job:

1. NOWHERE in your link does it say that the Emperor Constantine was Pontiff of the Church.

2. Constantine had already decided to abandon the city of Rome and move the seat of the Roman Empire to Constantinople. So, if he WERE to declare himself head of the Church it would never have made sense to have it in Rome.

3. Neither the Orthodox or ANY Protestant denomination has EVER disavowed the Council of Nicea or the Nicene Creed. This mean that all of Christianity repudiates your claims.

I’m just curious, YOU don’t believe in the Trinity, how come you are never on non-Catholic threads making false claims about Protestantism.


99 posted on 10/25/2009 10:48:02 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee; NYer
Just a few problems with your cut & paste job:

1. NOWHERE in your link does it say that the Emperor Constantine was Pontiff of the Church.

2. Constantine had already decided to abandon the city of Rome and move the seat of the Roman Empire to Constantinople. So, if he WERE to declare himself head of the Church it would never have made sense to have it in Rome.

3. Neither the Orthodox or ANY Protestant denomination has EVER disavowed the Council of Nicea or the Nicene Creed. This mean that all of Christianity repudiates your claims.

I’m just curious, YOU don’t believe in the Trinity, how come you are never on non-Catholic threads making false claims about Protestantism.

That may well be.

The Council of Nicea was summoned, and presided over, by the Emperor Constantine.

Constantine, Pontifex Maximus of the Roman state religion.

He called all the bishops of the eastern and western churches to attend.

The bishop of Rome was invited to attend but he chose not to attend.

One of the titles of the Roman Emperor was Pontifix Maximus,
a title given to the Roman Emperor by the king of Ephesus
who had inherited the title from Babylon

This title goes all the way back to Babylon and the beginnings of the mother-child
cult under Nimrod of Genesis 10 and his wife Sumerimus. Later,
Julius Caesar was elected Pontifex Maximus and when he became Emperor,
he became the supreme civil and religious ruler and head of Rome
politically and religiously with all the power and functions of the Babylonian pontiff.

Here was the magnificent temple of Esculapius, a pagan god
whose idol was in the form of a serpent.
The inhabitants were known as the chief temple keepers of Asia.
When the Babylonian cult of the Magians was driven out of Babylon,
they found a haven in Pergamum.

The title of the Magian high priest of Babylon was "Chief Bridge Builder"
meaning the one who spans the gap between mortals and Satan and his hosts.
In Latin this title was written "Pontifex Maximus,"

Revelation 2:12 "And to the angel of the church in Pergamum write:
The One who has the sharp two-edged sword says this:

Revelation 2:13 'I know where you dwell, where Satan's throne is;
and you hold fast My name, and did not deny My faith
even in the days of Antipas, My witness, My faithful one,
who was killed among you, where Satan dwells.

Revelation 2:14 'But I have a few things against you, because you
have there some who hold the teaching of Balaam,
who kept teaching Balak to put a stumbling block
before the sons of Israel, to eat things sacrificed
to idols and to commit {acts of} immorality.

Revelation 2:15 'So you also have some who in the same way
hold the teaching of the Nicolaitans.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
105 posted on 10/25/2009 10:56:07 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: wagglebee; UriÂ’el-2012
>>> 1. NOWHERE in your link does it say that the Emperor Constantine was Pontiff of the Church. <<<

Let's see: the Emperor Augustus was the first to inherit the title of pontifex maximus, waaay back during the Principate. The Emperor Gratian (367-383) renounced the title of pontifex maximus during his rule, becoming, as my source states, "the first emperor in almost four centuries to refuse the office that brought with it control of the ROMAN STATE RELIGION." (H. A. Drake, _Constantine and the Bishops_, p.403).

Augustus' rule ended in AD 14. Constantine reigned from AD 306 to 337. Gratian, once again, ruled from AD 367 to 383. Since the Imperial office of Pontifex Maximus was assumed with Augustus and abandoned with Gratian, and Constantine ruled between the two, then Constantine was Pontifex Maximus of the Roman State Religion. QED.

And, wagglebee, what WAS the Roman State Religion in AD 325, when Constantino il Grande summoned the Council of Nicea?

I'm not quite sure about the point that UriÂ’el-2012 was making about Easter, but on this matter of fact he's right. You -- and others -- owe him an apology.

462 posted on 10/27/2009 10:41:25 AM PDT by Poe White Trash (Wake up!)
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