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Posted on 10/25/2009 5:47:50 AM PDT by NYer
The Church is Christ's bride (Ephesians 5:29) and has "no spot, wrinkle or blemish" (Ephesians 5:27). Individual clergy may commit sins, even popes commit sins because in the Church there are both "weeds and wheat" (Matthew 13:30).
BWAHAHAHAhahaha.....
History isn't your strong suit, is it?
You might note the Malabar Christians, separated from Rome from the start by distance, founded directly by the Apostle Saint Thomas and yet continuously united in Faith and Doctrine even through today with the Holy See. Nota Bene - Constantine never had any knowledge of them nor contact with them.
No knowledge of history is a dangerous thing, false teachings are even more so.
The following was promulgated to the whole Roman Empire for their understanding and compliance: ON THE KEEPING OF EASTER. From the Letter of the Emperor to all those not present at the Council.
from DOCUMENTS FROM THE FIRST COUNCIL OF NICEA [THE FIRST ECUMENICAL COUNCIL] A.D. 325 Emperor Constantine, Emperor of the Roman Empire He had issued an Edict making Sunday the day of rest In 321 CE, while a Pagan sun-worshiper, the Emperor Constantine
They ruled: "Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday, but shall work on that day." Whatever some people think was the purpose of the Council of Nicea,
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
the following is what the Roman Pontiff who called and supervised
the council thought was the most important for the world to know.
(Found in Eusebius, Vita Const., Lib. iii., 18-20.) When the question relative to the sacred festival of Easter arose, it was
universally thought that it would be convenient that all should keep the
feast on one day; for what could be more beautiful and more desirable,
than to see this festival, through which we receive the hope of
immortality, celebrated by all with one accord, and in the same
manner? It was declared to be particularly unworthy for this, the
holiest of all festivals, to follow the custom [the calculation] of the
Jews, who had soiled their hands with the most fearful of crimes, and
whose minds were blinded. In rejecting their custom,(1) we may
transmit to our descendants the legitimate mode of celebrating Easter,
which we have observed from the time of the Saviour's Passion to the
present day[according to the day of the week]. We ought not,
therefore, to have anything in common with the Jews, for the Saviour
has shown us another way; our worship follows a more legitimate and
more convenient course(the order of the days of the week); and
consequently, in unanimously adopting this mode, we desire, dearest
brethren, to separate ourselves from the detestable company of the
Jews, for it is truly shameful for us to hear them boast that without
their direction we could not keep this feast. How can they be in the
right, they who, after the death of the Saviour, have no longer been led
by reason but by wild violence, as their delusion may urge them? They
do not possess the truth in this Easter question; for, in their blindness
and repugnance to all improvements, they frequently celebrate two
passovers in the same year. We could not imitate those who are openly
in error. How, then, could we follow these Jews, who are most
certainly blinded by error? for to celebrate the passover twice in one
year is totally inadmissible. But even if this were not so, it would still
be your duty not to tarnish your soul by communications with such
wicked people[the Jews]. Besides, consider well, that in such an
important matter, and on a subject of such great solemnity, there ought
not to be any division. Our Saviour has left us only one festal day of
our redemption, that is to say, of his holy passion, and he desired[to
establish] only one Catholic Church. Think, then, how unseemly it is,
that on the same day some should be fasting whilst others are seated
at a banquet; and that after Easter, some should be rejoicing at feasts,
whilst others are still observing a strict fast. For this reason, a Divine
Providence wills that this custom should be rectified and regulated in a
uniform way; and everyone, I hope, will agree upon this point. As, on
the one hand, it is our duty not to have anything in common with the
murderers of our Lord; and as, on the other, the custom now followed
by the Churches of the West, of the South, and of
the North, and by some of those of the East, is the most acceptable, it
has appeared good to all; and I have been guarantee for your consent,
that you would accept it with joy, as it is followed at Rome, in Africa,
in all Italy, Egypt, Spain, Gaul, Britain, Libya, in all Achaia, and in the
dioceses of Asia, of Pontus, and Cilicia. You should consider not only
that the number of churches in these provinces make a majority, but
also that it is right to demand what our reason approves, and that we
should have nothing in common with the Jews. To sum up in few
words: By the unanimous judgment of all, it has been decided that the
most holy festival of Easter should be everywhere celebrated on one
and the same day, and it is not seemly that in so holy a thing there
should be any division. As this is the state of the case, accept joyfully
the divine favour, and this truly divine command; for all which takes
place in assemblies of the bishops ought to be regarded as proceeding
from the will of God. Make known to your brethren what has been
decreed, keep this most holy day according to the prescribed mode; we
can thus celebrate this holy Easter day at the same time, if it is granted
me, as I desire, to unite myself with you; we can rejoice together,
seeing that the divine power has made use of our instrumentality for
destroying the evil designs of the devil, and thus causing faith, peace,
and unity to flourish amongst us. May God graciously protect you, my
beloved brethren.
This is the Decree from the Pontiff of the Roman church to all the world.
declared that Sunday was to be a day of rest throughout the Roman Empire: "On the venerable day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest,
Council of Laodicea circa 364 CE ordered that religious observances were
and let all workshops be closed. In the country however persons engaged in agriculture
may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits because it often happens that another day
is not suitable for gain-sowing or vine planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment
for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost."
to be conducted on Sunday, not Saturday. Sunday became the new Sabbath.
>>Because there are hundreds of millions of us who believe you guys are leading people to hell with your plan of salvation...<<
If you believe that “Romanists” can be saved, then this makes no sense.
What “Romanists” can’t be saved?
Being able to cut-n-paste doesn’t remove the blight of ignorance in your claims. They are laughable.
Then why would our Lord have entrusted the forgiveness of sins to His Apostles?
St. Constantine was never Pontiff of the Catholic Church.
Now again you provide us the same cut and paste garbage posted again.
In 321 CE, while a Pagan sun-worshiper, the Emperor Constantine...
Constantine was Christian in 321.
Wait! Don't tell me you worship God on the day named for Saturn, the pagan god of agriculture and harvest!
Rome
You are most welcome! And thank you for taking the time to read it through in its entirety.
~the OTTB mare, trudging slowly toward Rome
Mark Shea, the author of this article, is a convert from the Evangelical Church. We have quite a few swimmers and converts here in the forum. I maintain a Catholic ping list for news and other items of possible interest. Please freepmail me if you would like to be added to the list.
In the meantime, rest assured of my prayers for the journey. Wishing you a blessed Sunday
Read and understand the truth. John 8: 32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free." It is history & from a Roman Catholic source.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
31 So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him,
"If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine;
LOL, did you read what you posted? Is English a second language for you?
Not according to scripture. "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved." - Matthew 24:13
Thank you, I’m already on the pinglist, and it’s been very helpful as I go through my studies in preparation to be received into the Church this winter. Feeling both perplexed at what’s happening to me, and excited.
"And when he had said this, he breathed on [them], and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; [and] whose soever [sins] ye retain, they are retained." - John 20:22-23
And that is the Word of God.
Now he is a newly minted Roman Catholic and now supports Abortion. I'm confused. Does the Roman Chrch support or reject the murder of innocent babies ? Newt Gingrich was a Baptist and rejected Abortion.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
And plenty of other, secular sources too.
Except your little cult which seems to like making things up out of whole cloth. Is it out of resentment that they do this?
Thank you for dropping by :-) Always good to meet up with fellow travelers.
Are you claiming here that the Catholic Church never, ever, EVER taught an error? Not one, itsy bitsy error?
The Church is Christ's bride (Ephesians 5:29) and has "no spot, wrinkle or blemish" (Ephesians 5:27). Christ also stated that the gates of Hell will not prevail against His Church (Matthew 16:18) so how can the Church commit error? Individual clergy may commit sins, even popes commit sins because in the Church there are both "weeds and wheat" (Matthew 13:30).
Have a wonderful journey on the wide road of life. Mazol Tov !
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
He posts a paragraph or two from Fordham, slathers on his own secret sauce of historical revisionism and pretends oh, “it’s from a Catholic source.”
Just a few problems with your cut & paste job:
1. NOWHERE in your link does it say that the Emperor Constantine was Pontiff of the Church.
2. Constantine had already decided to abandon the city of Rome and move the seat of the Roman Empire to Constantinople. So, if he WERE to declare himself head of the Church it would never have made sense to have it in Rome.
3. Neither the Orthodox or ANY Protestant denomination has EVER disavowed the Council of Nicea or the Nicene Creed. This mean that all of Christianity repudiates your claims.
I’m just curious, YOU don’t believe in the Trinity, how come you are never on non-Catholic threads making false claims about Protestantism.
How would that possibly be relevant, since Gingrich is not Roman?
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