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So, are you going to answer the question of *Why*?

Sure.

You are an evolutionist. Everyone knows where you stand.

For the record, I don't introduce myself as such at parties. Just as you don't introduce yourself as a creationist. "Evolutionist" is not a label. I do hold a biology degree and my resume does note that. It does not, however, identify me as an "evolutionist."

Why do you consider it so great that there is an internal debate between YEC and OEC?

Of course you picture me snickering in my ivory tower at the know-nothings battling it out. And of course you'd be wrong. It's very interesting to me... I grew up in a strong Christian family and have always been interested in inter-denominational debate. The endless arguing over "true" Christians IS interesting - no matter where one stands on that debate. I just happen to be on the outside looking in.

Why do you think that it doesn't happen enough?

Because - on FR - it doesn't. You know that over the years I've been wishing creationists would - at least ONCE - agree that some source material has been quote-mined unfairly or admit that a jailed tax-cheat with a degree from a diploma mill may not be the best person to learn that humans and dinosaurs lived in harmony. Or that those who accept heliocentrism would perhaps note to the geocentrists that their ideas on the solar system are wrong, etc. It just never happens.

It's like the creationists have an unspoken bond that "We believe God created everything and no matter how wrong you may be about a particular part of that creation, it's okay with me because of the greater good." I have an issue with that. If a fellow "evolutionist" provides incorrect information, I will point that out. Without hesitation. That's the honesty and integrity of science. For something supposedly much more honest (Christianity), I wish the creationists would step up to the plate more often. (It has happened a bit on this thread.)

No one has a problem doing so on other FR topics. We all do it all the time as the need arises. So why the silence on this issue. I'm sorry, it IS interesting.

Why do you wish this thread would really delve into it?

See above.

What do you hope to gain from a debate like that considering your evolutionist views? Are you hoping to learn something?

I'm always hoping to learn something. I live my life with that hope. I've been waiting for years now for an actual honest-to-goodness "Intelligent Design" proponent to speak up. GGG posts plenty of ID articles (which he has noted he does not necessarily agree with to a very large degree) but all I see are creationists and evolutionists. Now with this thread, OneVike was hoping for a YEC vs. OEC discussion. And like I said, it has come about a bit, which is cool.

“If a fellow “evolutionist” provides incorrect information, I will point that out”.

Really?

I’ve not seen that, not only by you of your “fellow evos”, but by ANY evo.

Well, I take that back, recently “tenacious” something or other pointed out the mischaracterization of creationists on the idea that someone will go to hell if they believe in evolution, corrected his “fellow evo” on such nonsense.

But even then, that was more about eternal religious ideas than evo-religious ideas.

It’s laughablke how all over the map evos are...from origins not having anything to do with evolution, to evolution is theory not fact, to how it’s actually taught in public screwels to how insignificant evolution is in regards to the application of biology specifically and science generally.

IN FACT that would be all time consuming in regards to or compared to this subject!