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To: Storm Cloud

Chill, my friend. Save your ire for someone for whom it is appropriate.

Jesus is an historical figure. I agree.
He would have been buring in a shroud. Gotcha, no argument here.
We have a shroud that bears the image of a crucified male. OK.

Sure, it could be the burial shroud of Jesus of Nazareth, but the evidence you point to above and in your post hardly makes that case.

As I said in an earlier post, I think it would incredibly cool if it were Jesus’ shroud. It would do little to advance the notion that He is the Son of God, but still incredible from an historical standpoint. Unfortunately, with the evidence we have (the shroud itself), I am at a loss to figure out how we could definitively resolve this.


428 posted on 10/06/2009 10:58:52 AM PDT by dmz
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To: dmz
Sure, it could be the burial shroud of Jesus of Nazareth, but the evidence you point to above and in your post hardly makes that case.

I guess that's all I was looking for. Someone had been making the argument yesterday that it was without a doubt a fraud; I may have dragged my frustration from yesterday into my reply to you today. My apologies.

Someone picks up a piece of bone at an archeological dig and puts together a diagram of how this bone is a part of a skull of a human ancestor and how it shows we descended from apes. Science has no apparent problem with all of the missing information and stands by the bone. Here you have a case where Religion points to what is believed to be the Shroud of Turin (with far more evidence to back this up), and Science can't try to knock it down fast enough.

431 posted on 10/06/2009 11:47:16 AM PDT by Storm Cloud
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To: dmz
Jesus is an historical figure. I agree. He would have been burying in a shroud. Gotcha, no argument here. We have a shroud that bears the image of a crucified male. OK.

The really, really cool part would be to show that this Shroud - which enclosed a crucified, Semitic male, dated to Jesus' day - had some type of extra-normal properties. We know from Scripture that when the disciples went to the tomb after the crucifixion:

Jhn 20:5 And he stooping down, [and looking in], saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in.

Jhn 20:6 Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie,

Jhn 20:7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.

Jhn 20:8 Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed.

The reason I said extra-normal was because the body that was within the burial clothes "came out" of them. They were lying on the shelf where his body was placed. The cloth that covered his head was "folded" and put in another place. The specialness of this is that if you were buried during that time and wrapped in the cloths with many pounds of spices and ointments (to keep the smell down) and you regained consciousness (some people actually believe this about Jesus), I highly doubt you would gently unwrap yourself, place the cloths back into the original position and fold the cloth from your head neatly and place it in another spot.

I think the scene would be a lot messier and bloodier than what the apostles saw. One theory refuting the resurrection says wild animals came and carried the body away or ate it. My cats are domestic but they still wouldn't bother to rearrange the cloths.

Some say that others came and took Jesus' body and that they arranged the burial cloths to make it appear Jesus rose. This theory goes down the tubes when you see the effect - seeing Jesus after that and actually speaking to him, eating with him and touching his body (good old Thomas)- this had on all the disciples and how they went from hiding in an upper room to boldly proclaiming the resurrected Christ. Most even gave their lives for their testimony. I don't know about you, but I sure wouldn't die a horrible death for something I knew was a lie!

So not to be too much more long-winded, if this IS the actual burial shroud of Jesus it is only one more piece of evidence for the fact of the supernatural resurrection of Jesus Christ and proof that he was and is whom he says he is.

PEACE.

436 posted on 10/06/2009 3:01:27 PM PDT by boatbums (Pro-woman, pro-child, pro-life!)
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