Blasphemy. If you knew Scripture instead of your magisterium's lies you would know Christ is "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."
Mary did not "consent." Mary was chosen by God to be the earthly vessel for Christ's entrance into humanity. The idolatry Rome heaps on a nice Jewish girl is revolting. And Rome will have to answer for leading so many so far astray.
You are the twister...You are so hard-bitten a hater of Catholicism...
And you are "making this personal" and therefore breaking the rules of the FR religion forum.
Repent.
They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand. And none considereth in his heart, neither is there knowledge nor understanding to say, I have burned part of it in the fire; yea, also I have baked bread upon the coals thereof; I have roasted flesh, and eaten it: and shall I make the residue thereof an abomination? shall I fall down to the stock of a tree? He feedeth on ashes: a deceived heart hath turned him aside, that he cannot deliver his soul, nor say, Is there not a lie in my right hand?" -- Isaiah 44:17-20"And the residue thereof he maketh a god, even his graven image: he falleth down unto it, and worshippeth it, and prayeth unto it, and saith, Deliver me; for thou art my god.
Yes, there is.
I think you are the one who introduced “Rome” and “twisting” into the discussion.
Okay, so God does not ask Mary’s consent. So God rapes Mary. Have it your way.
Good night.
. . . the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee named Nazareth, t a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David, and the virgin's name was Mary. And the angel came in unto her and said, "Hail, thou that art highly favored, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women." Sounds like Our Lord's Angel said she was blessed, just like the woman in the crowd that you say Jesus rebuked." Jesus can't seem to get his story straight. The Scriptures you claim to operate solely from make Mary out to be highly favored among women. You say she's no different from you. For someone who claims to follow Scripture alone rather than any magisterium, you seem to be governed by some extra-Scriptural magisterium here. And the angel said . . . thou shalt conceive in thy womb and bring forth a son and shalt call his name Jesus. . . and of his kingdom there shall be no end. . . . and the holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. . . And Mary said, . . . Be it done unto me according to thy word. That's called consent. She said yes. But you know better. She had no choice in the matter. God impregnated her against her will. When a woman says yes, she doesn't really mean yes. She just said it mechanically, God made her say yes. It wasn't her saying yes. God set her up to say yes and she could not have said no. In your twisting of Scripture, God uses this woman as a MERE vessel (the "vessel" text you cite at me does not have the 'mere' part in it but you create it when you say that Mary did not consent--contrary to the plain text of Luke 1). Your God is a monster who abuses women (and your puppet-theology also abuses men by denying human free will. I'm glad you are happy in your rapist-religion. But I for one would have nothing to do with a Christian faith that began with rape or which reduces people to puppets. And the plain text of Scripture in this instance has Mary giving consent. You are so hidebound by your predestinarianism and monergism that you have to rape Scripture with regard to Mary's consent. But your mind is made up and what's a little Scripture verse against all your man-made monergist doctrine?