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To: Houghton M.
Your post shows exactly how Rome twists the clear meaning of Scripture into glorifying the creature intead of the creator.

He's endorsing her honoring of his mother because of him.

Dead wrong. He is correcting those who seek His mother and brothers...

"Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.

But he answered and said unto him that told him, who is my mother? and who are my brethren?

And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!

For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother." -- Matthew 12:47-50

Believers are the equal of Mary. She holds no higher esteen in God's eye than you or I do.

338 posted on 10/05/2009 5:40:18 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Had she not believed the angel you’d not be a believer.

She is the first believer. Period. Her belief in the Incarnation made the incarnation possible. God does not rape. He asked her consent.

She gave it.

You owe her big-time honor precisely because you worship her Son.

And who said anything about Rome? I gave you the most plausible reading of the Luke passage, based on the structure of Luke, the Greek meaning of the word with which Jesus begins his response, the straight content of what he said.

You are the twister. Jesus honored his own mother, even from the Cross. You claim to be His follower but you slap him in the face, claiming to know better than he whether his mother deserves honor, among women.

And then there’s Elizabeth, her cousin. You’re smarter than she?? She honored the mother of our Lord more than other women.

And, if Jesus did not honor his mother because she was his mother, wouldn’t he be breaking one of the Ten Commandments? What kind of God Incarnate can’t be bothered to keep His own Commandments?

Most Protestants at least honor Mary to some degree. You are so hard-bitten a hater of Catholicism, East and West, that you have to reduce Mary to nothing more than Joe Six-Pack the deacon of Pastor Bob’s Bible Church.

It would be humorous if it were not so sad. You remind me of the Dwarfs in C. S. Lewis, The Last Battle. They are in paradise but refuse to see what they see and thus box themselves into a shed whose walls have disappeared with only the door remaining.

But despite your blindness, Mary loves you. So does her Son.


339 posted on 10/05/2009 5:54:51 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Believers are the equal of Mary. She holds no higher esteen in God's eye than you or I do.

So God held a lottery to determine who would carry Jesus into Nazareth?

343 posted on 10/05/2009 6:54:46 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what you can do for Obama.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Houghton M.; Petronski; markomalley
Believers are the equal of Mary. She holds no higher esteen in God's eye than you or I do.

Have the Machenites changed the definition of the words "among" and "all"?

399 posted on 10/06/2009 4:51:05 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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