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To: Sudetenland
I was saying that reverence and worship are not the same thing.

Playing "gotcha" games with dictionaries reflects badly on those who do it.

Revere:to regard with respect tinged with awe; venerate: The child revered her mother.

Worship:reverent honor and homage paid to God

Huge difference, there.

Deal with it.

204 posted on 10/05/2009 1:18:14 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Worship:reverent honor and homage paid to God"

Not to "God" alone (with or without the dramatic font), but any god. Pagans also worship their gods.

If all of these items in the Vatican's Reliquary are not worshipped to some degree or other, then why are they there? Why are they venerated? Why are the people here attacking this scientist? What difference does it make if the Shroud or any other of the relics are authentic or not?

Is not FAITH the only real evidence of God's existence? ...of Christ's existence? Then the only question that is relevent is, is your faith genuine or is it dependent on some artifact...or idol?

This whole dialogue began because some scientist threatened to expose the Shroud of Turin as a possible fake. For that possibility alone, he has been reviled and insulted.

It appears to me that, at least some here, need there to be physical proof of something that can only be proven by faith. You cannot secularly prove the existence of God nor can you likewise prove that Christ was the Son of God. All of these relics are mere distractions from what is true and real.

God is. Christ is the corporeal presence of God as he is the Son of God and the Holy Ghost.

That distraction is the very reason that God admonished us in Exodus 20:

"4. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

It is not until the next verse that "worship" is invoked.

5. Thou shalt not bow down to them, nor serve them..."

So it is the existence of the image or idol itself that is offensive to God, not solely the worship...according to the Bible.
258 posted on 10/05/2009 2:37:37 PM PDT by Sudetenland (Slow to anger but terrible in vengence...such is the character of the American people.)
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