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To: Petronski

By you. If you exalt it above any other piece of cloth, if you revere it as a holy relic, then you are worshipping it.


136 posted on 10/05/2009 12:34:18 PM PDT by Sudetenland (Slow to anger but terrible in vengence...such is the character of the American people.)
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To: Sudetenland
By you.

Absolutely false. Why would you falsely claim I worship something?

138 posted on 10/05/2009 12:36:10 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Sudetenland

“If you exalt it above any other piece of cloth, if you revere it as a holy relic, then you are worshipping it.”

Uhhhh, NO. You’re wrong. Do a little theological study on the meaning of the words “revere” and “worship”.


139 posted on 10/05/2009 12:37:24 PM PDT by Nabber
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To: Sudetenland; Petronski
If you exalt it above any other piece of cloth, if you revere it as a holy relic, then you are worshipping it.

Stuff and nonsense.

151 posted on 10/05/2009 12:43:47 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Sudetenland

Then John the Evangelist is by your definition an idol-worshiper. The passage in the Gospel of John about the empty tomb darn sure “exalts” the burial cloths. It gives more space to them than it does to Joseph the adoptive father of Jesus or to thre-fourths of the apostles.

Maybe you ought to start reading your Bible. It suggests that the earliest Christians venerated the burial cloths of Jesus.

That doesn’t prove that the Shroud in Turin is one of those burial cloths—plenty of other evidence supports that claim.

But it blows out of the water you claim that exalting a piece of cloth is worshiping the piece of cloth.

Your quarrel is with the Gospel-writer. Take it up with him, if you are such hot stuff.


154 posted on 10/05/2009 12:46:00 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Sudetenland

“It gives more space to them than it does to Joseph the adoptive father of Jesus or to thre-fourths of the apostles.”

Correction. There is more space given to Joseph. But the cloths receive more space than many of the apostles. Indeed, more space than Peter’s wife (who is never mentioned but whose existence is properly inferred from the mention of Peter’s mother-in-law. Yet, on the basis of the existence of Peter’s unmentioned wife, an immense edifice of married apostles has been built.

I’d say the mention of the burial cloths exalts them, compared to a lot that never gets mentioned in the gospels. What happened to Joseph after Luke ch. 2?


170 posted on 10/05/2009 12:54:06 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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