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To: mkjessup

OK, let’s go back to where this started. Here is your original post about the sinner’s prayer.

“The Sinner’s Prayer:

‘Lord Jesus, I know that I am a sinner, and unless You save me I am lost forever. I thank You for dying for me on the Cross and paying for my sins. I come to You now, Lord, just as You said in Your Word, the best way I know how, and ask You to save me. I now receive You as my Savior. In Jesus Christ Name, Amen.’

If any unsaved soul prays that prayer, then according to the Word of God — THEY ARE SAVED! AMEN!’

Now is it true that “if ANY unsaved soul prays that prayer” they are saved? Do you honestly believe that? You said NOTHING about repentance whatsoever, in fact you went further:

“God’s Word says if you receive and trust in Jesus Christ you are saved. It does NOT say you “might” or “could” be saved — but “shall be saved”. YOU ARE SAVED! Once again:

‘For whosoever shall calleth upon the Name of the Lord SHALL BE SAVED.’
- Romans 10:13

Simple and straightforward, and no complicated doctrines, rituals, dogmas, catmas, or any other kind o’ ‘mas’ ;)”

There is a great book by John MacArthur entitled “The Gospel According to Jesus” that I would encourage you to read. There are thousands and perhaps millions of unsaved souls in this world that were told they were saved because they “prayed a prayer” or “walked an aisle” who are damned.

Even Billy Graham admits that the vast majority of those who came forward at his crusades were never saved despite praying the sinner’s prayer and walking the aisle. Many, many pastors are quite good at stirring peoples’ emotions and causing them to make a false profession of faith.

While you may personally know that more is required of a sinner, you certainly didn’t say as much, which is why I jumped all over the sinner’s prayer that you posted. There is absolutely NO BIBLICAL SUPPORT for a sinner’s prayer, and I really don’t care how many pastors or churches have a “variation” of it. They are not authorized to modify or dumb-down the Gospel, any more than you are. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is SUPPOSED to be a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense.

When I asked you where to find the sinner’s prayer in the Bible, you replied by telling me “There are many variations of that prayer, and it sounds like you’ve got a chip on your shoulder in asking your question.” Yet you continually accuse me of getting personal?

I guess I do have a chip on my shoulder; I’m sick of hearing “Christians” tell people that they can be saved by repeating a prayer, without telling them to count the costs, without telling them that following Christ means dying to the world and the world’s desires. Sanctification will ALWAYS follow justification. It is a lie of the devil that a man can be saved my mouthing some words, no matter how strongly he/she may want to believe it.

“For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. - 2 Corinthians 11:14

“Would someone wallowing happily in their sins express such sentiments? I think not.
Of course, it’s possible in a HYPOTHETICAL sense but to what end?”

You continue to make assertions that are clearly contrary to Scripture; according to the Bible, it’s more than a hypothetical.

“For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret, whereas worldly grief produces death.” - 2 Corinthians 7:10

Jesus is our example for evangelism and He NEVER told anyone to recite a prayer for salvation. It has nothing to do with the fact that He had not yet been crucified, as you’ve repeated twice now, oddly. But just to prove the point, Paul and Peter never led anyone in the sinner’s prayer, nor did they tell anyone to “accept Christ into their heart” or other such nonsense.

“Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are MANY. FOR THE GATE IS NARROW AND WAY IS HARD that leads to life, and those who find it are few.” - Matthew 7:13-14


146 posted on 09/17/2009 1:41:49 PM PDT by paulist
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To: paulist
There are thousands and perhaps millions of unsaved souls in this world that were told they were saved because they “prayed a prayer” or “walked an aisle” who are damned.
Even Billy Graham admits that the vast majority of those who came forward at his crusades were never saved despite praying the sinner’s prayer and walking the aisle. Many, many pastors are quite good at stirring peoples’ emotions and causing them to make a false profession of faith.


I'm sure you will be more than willing to explain and demonstrate just how exactly you, or John MacArthur, or Billy Graham "know" that millions of souls are damned, and that a "vast majority" that responded to one of Rev Graham's altar calls were "never saved". Do you (or they) claim to possess the insight of Almighty God, to peer into the soul of any human being and KNOW their spiritual state? If so, by all means tell us.

When I asked you where to find the sinner’s prayer in the Bible, you replied by telling me “There are many variations of that prayer, and it sounds like you’ve got a chip on your shoulder in asking your question.” Yet you continually accuse me of getting personal?

I do indeed, and you did. Your entire mode of response was one of aggression. Ruh roh, what's this?

I guess I do have a chip on my shoulder

(ahem) "By thy own words..."

I’m sick of hearing “Christians” tell people that they can be saved by repeating a prayer

Oh that we all might become a “Christian” like you, complete with the robes of a judge. You are painting with a mighty broad brush there, because you do NOT have the Knowledge (or Wisdom) of God in that you don't KNOW how God views and responds to any given prayer uttered by a sincere and seeking soul pleading for mercy and forgiveness, and if you claim you do, that is a lie. NO one knows, only God does.

Tell you what, prove the following Scripture is wrong, and I'll happily concede this entire argument:

‘For whosoever shall calleth upon the Name of the Lord SHALL BE SAVED.’
- Romans 10:13


By your judgmental standard, the above Scripture cannot possibly be true.
147 posted on 09/17/2009 2:05:29 PM PDT by mkjessup
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