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To: topcat54; roamer_1; Quix
Evading legitimate queries is not how I operate. I gave you many verses that describe the 144K. They are most definitely on the earth during the tribulation, doing the work of the “Lamb - Jesus”, they will have the mark of God on their foreheads - not the “mark of the beast”, they will be immune from the torment of the locust and scorpions, for a time, they will be martyred and the names of the twelve tribes of Israel (Jacob) will be memorialized in the New Jerusalem.

This “futurist” view that is assumed I just swallowed whole without thinking, studying, researching, etc. is insulting to me and seems like a “cop-out” on your part.

Why not turn this around for a change and let me ask you, who do you think the 144,000 are? What do you think Revelation chapters 4, 7, 11, 14, and 21 speak to? Or better yet, what have you been TOLD they mean?

395 posted on 09/20/2009 1:06:05 PM PDT by boatbums (Not everything faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed unless it is faced.)
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To: boatbums; roamer_1
Evading legitimate queries is not how I operate. I gave you many verses that describe the 144K. They are most definitely on the earth during the tribulation, doing the work of the “Lamb - Jesus”, they will have the mark of God on their foreheads - not the “mark of the beast”,

But the Bible does not say that at all. As hard as you try, you cannot find one verse that says anything about the one hundred and forty four thousand evangelizing Israel (or however you wish to state it).

they will be martyred and the names of the twelve tribes of Israel (Jacob) will be memorialized in the New Jerusalem.

Where exactly does it say they will be martyred? Another futurist claim?

This “futurist” view that is assumed I just swallowed whole without thinking, studying, researching, etc. is insulting to me and seems like a “cop-out” on your part.

It may seem like a "cop out" but you are the one that is having a hard time finding Scripture to back up your claims. I'm just pointing that out. The ideas your are stating are well-known futurist claims. I must assume you are merely parroting what you have been told by others.

If study, research, etc were the basis for your theories, it should be easy for you to back up these ideas plainly and clearly from the Bible. That is what you have not done.

For example, in chapter 14 of Revelation we see the one hundred and forty four thousand with Christ in heavenly Mount Zion. They are not on the earth. They are worshiping the Lamb around the throne with the angels, elders, and four living creature. This plainly cannot be on the earth.

Why not turn this around for a change and let me ask you, who do you think the 144,000 are? What do you think Revelation chapters 4, 7, 11, 14, and 21 speak to? Or better yet, what have you been TOLD they mean?

Sure. Will you admit that your views on the one hundred and forty four thousand are not entirely from Scripture.

397 posted on 09/20/2009 5:41:57 PM PDT by topcat54 ("If Israel is 'God's prophetic clock,' then dispensationalists do not know how to tell time.")
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To: boatbums

NOW, NOW,

Expecting an UNRUBBERIZED BIBLICAL ANSWER;

. . . an UNRUBBERY LOGICAL answer;

. . . an UNRUBBERIZED HISTORY, historically accurate answer . . .

from a REPLACEMENTARIAN, A-MIL, PRETERIST, POST-MIL perspective . . .

could readily be a sign of Alzheimer’s or other serious delusion.


410 posted on 09/20/2009 6:28:04 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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