I think you are being arbitrary in your use of terms. There is no evidence that what the Bible calls the “tribes of Judah” is now living in “sovereign Israel”. That argument cannot be made using biblical terms and definitions. Even the land area that today we call “Israel” does not match with what the Bible calls the land of promise (Gen. 15:18).
The presuppositions that you are using for your argument, IMO, cannot be sustained from a careful analysis of the Bible.
Whether this refers to 40 years, or modern extended lifespans remains to be seen
So, you expect this to termination within our lifetime?
It's persistently soooooooo affirming and comforting when the REPLACEMENTARIANS et al's perspective sooooo tenaciously plays according to their ridiculous script and fantasies.
to wit . . .
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The presuppositions that you are using for your argument, IMO, cannot be sustained from a careful analysis of the Bible. #######################################
How could anyone following UNRUBBERIZED LOGICal Biblical study, analysis etc. . . . taking into consideration original language root word meanings . . . UNRUBBERIZED HISTORIES . . . UNRUBBERIZED DICTIONARIES . . . etc.
. . . taking Scripture at face value . . . trusting that God said what He meant and meant what He said . . . OBSERVING that God has DEMONTRATED that HE INTENDS HIS WORD TO TYPICALLY BE TAKEN LITERALLY--given all the detailed LITERAL fulfillments of prophecies and other Biblical facts . . .
How could all such REMOTELY be considered "arbitrary" except by perspectives partially founded on RUBBER DICTIONARIES!
OHHHHHHHHHHH, RIGHT . . . NO evidence . . . as in the rigorous scientific study demonstrating even the rather startlingly and humanly impossibly pure DNA [Coen sp?] lineage of the PRIEST's line descended from Aaron--resident in Israel . . . calculated--SCIENTIFICALLY calculated traceable to one man living at the time of Aaron.
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, RIIIIIIIIGHT . . . NO evidence . . . as in the Biblical prophecy fulfilled of the RETURNED ISRAEL SPEAKING HEBREW . . . SOMETHING NEVER EVER HAVING OCCURRED IN ALL RECORDED HISTORY with ANY widely dispersed ethnic, cultural, people group. Never happened before. Did with Israel--EXACTLY AS PROPHESIED IN SCRIPTURE. NOT, BTW, in 70A.D.
OHHHHHHHHHH, RAHHHHHGGGGHHHT . . . . as in . . . GOD ALMIGHTY OBVIOUSLY ENGINEERING . . . AS BIBLICALLY PREDICTED QUITE ACCURATELY AND LITERALLY--the whole world arrayed against Jerusalem with Jerusalem a burdensome weight around the necks of the nations of the whole world. . . . as never happened before--certainly NOT in 70A.D. AND CERTAINLY NOT after Israel returned to the Holy Land after the 70AD dispersion.
OHHHHHHHHH . . . RIIIIIIIIIIGHHHHHHT . . . as in . . . the astronomically disproportionate earning of Nobel and other awards by Jewish scholars, inventors and medical personnel around the world and particularly in Israel . . . fulfilling God's Prophecy of the world being blessed PARTICULARLY through the offspring of Jacob.
OHHHHHHHHHH . . . RIIIIIGHHHHTTTT . . . as in . . . Israel fulfilling another prophecy about ISRAEL'S RETURN . . . making the desert bloom like a rose . . . as prophesied in Scripture . . . [BTW, as well as . . . incredibly successful reforestation efforts and great food exporting, fruit farm efforts].
OOHHHHHHHHHH . . . RIIIIIIGHHHHHTTT . . . as in . . . the not quite yet fulfilled but looming rebuilding of the 3rd Jewish Temple . . . witness further puzzle pieces toward fulfillment of that specific END TIMES BIBLE PROPHECY by the disclosure this week of the influential Muslim Turkish scholar who has met with Jewish officials about the REBUILDING OF THE 3RD TEMPLE.
Of course, for perspectives not quite SOOOOOOOOOOOOO foundationally built on the quick sand of REACTIVE ATTACHMENT DISORDERED dynamics . . . adherents would probably be much more realistic and much more able to say . . . some variation of "Oooooooops. Guess I was wrong." Not so in this case. Like most cultish RELIGIOUS systems, this one is likely to be TENACIOUSLY, IRRATIONALLY DOGMATIC until Christ splits the Mount of Olives--another JEWISH PROPHECY with fulfillment looming startlingly closer and closer.
That's a wonderful point for the UNRUBBERIZED BIBLICAL PERSPECTIVE. Thanks TC.
The options are not endless.
Either God was NOT OMNISCIENT . . . and did NOT realize that down the road, that the REPLACEMENTARIANS et al would notice that God had been clueless in failing to realize that HE would flush the children of Jacob in favor of the Christian Church
Omniscient, NEVER forgetful God was very forgetful and couldn't keep very good track of his ETERNAL UNFAILING PROMISES to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob . . . so the boundaries thing just got forgotten and neglected in 1948 and 1967 vis a vis the children of Jacob.
God changed His UNCHANGING fickle mind.
God decided that His UNCHANGING EVERLASTING PROMISES were USA Democarp promises and thereby not worth the sheepskin they were inked on.
Perhaps it's just NOT QUITE the precise time for that fulfillment yet . . . given that ARMAGEDDON has not happened yet . . . RREPLACEMENTARIAN DELUSIONS about 70AD considered and sanely, compassionately flushed.
However, stay tuned. This IS the END TIMES ERA . . . and Israel has far more of that geography under it's control than it's had for around 2,000 years.
. . . presuppositions . . .
Presuppositions???? Taking Scripture at face value and watching it be literally specifically fulfilled to the letter is a pile of stinking presuppositions????
Naw, that's the REPLACEMENTARIANS et al's addictive habit. Not ours.
No, I am being quite specific.
There is no evidence that what the Bible calls the “tribes of Judah” is now living in “sovereign Israel”.
Evidence abounds. From the genetic evidence of the Kohenim, to family histories... It can hardly be argued otherwise. Who is in the state of Israel now are the descendants of Judah and Levi, proven beyond reasonable doubt... Benjamin should be proven too, but is not, by matriarchal lineage.
That argument cannot be made using biblical terms and definitions.
It certainly can. The term "Jew" is simply a shortening of the name Judah. The House of Judah has returned. They have been regathered from all the nations, just as Jehovah said He would do. And the House of Israel will be regathered too, even yet. It is written.
Even the land area that today we call “Israel” does not match with what the Bible calls the land of promise (Gen. 15:18).
And it never has. That is yet to come. And come, it will.
The presuppositions that you are using for your argument, IMO, cannot be sustained from a careful analysis of the Bible.
In my opinion, they can.
Whether this refers to 40 years, or modern extended lifespans remains to be seen
So, you expect this to termination within our lifetime?
No, That isn't what I said. I said, "I may yet sleep..."
The whole of the prophecy states that the generation that sees "ALL THESE THINGS"... Until now, that has not been possible, because Israel has not been a nation.
It is fair to say that things are ratcheting up NOW. THIS generation may well be "That Generation". I would not be surprised at all if I DO see Christ come... If not me, my children... It is at the door.