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To: topcat54; Outership; XeniaSt; Blogger; wmfights; prophetic

It’s conceivable that my precision is slightly off.

There IS such a verse.

Though perhaps not in the Preterist, A-mil, post-mil, REPLACEMENTARIANS et al’s RUBBER BIBLES.

I’ll check on it when I have more time.


24 posted on 09/13/2009 8:06:53 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Daniel 11:5-20 (New King James Version)

Warring Kings of North and South

5 “Also the king of the South shall become strong, as well as one of his princes; and he shall gain power over him and have dominion. His dominion shall be a great dominion. 6 And at the end of some years they shall join forces, for the daughter of the king of the South shall go to the king of the North to make an agreement; but she shall not retain the power of her authority,[a] and neither he nor his authority[b] shall stand; but she shall be given up, with those who brought her, and with him who begot her, and with him who strengthened her in those times. 7 But from a branch of her roots one shall arise in his place, who shall come with an army, enter the fortress of the king of the North, and deal with them and prevail. 8 And he shall also carry their gods captive to Egypt, with their princes[c]and their precious articles of silver and gold; and he shall continue more years than the king of the North.
9 “Also the king of the North shall come to the kingdom of the king of the South, but shall return to his own land. 10 However his sons shall stir up strife, and assemble a multitude of great forces; and one shall certainly come and overwhelm and pass through; then he shall return to his fortress and stir up strife.
11 “And the king of the South shall be moved with rage, and go out and fight with him, with the king of the North, who shall muster a great multitude; but the multitude shall be given into the hand of his enemy. 12 When he has taken away the multitude, his heart will be lifted up; and he will cast down tens of thousands, but he will not prevail. 13 For the king of the North will return and muster a multitude greater than the former, and shall certainly come at the end of some years with a great army and much equipment.
14 “Now in those times many shall rise up against the king of the South. Also, violent men[d] of your people shall exalt themselves in fulfillment of the vision, but they shall fall. 15 So the king of the North shall come and build a siege mound, and take a fortified city; and the forces[e] of the South shall not withstand him. Even his choice troops shall have no strength to resist. 16 But he who comes against him shall do according to his own will, and no one shall stand against him. He shall stand in the Glorious Land with destruction in his power.[f]
17 “He shall also set his face to enter with the strength of his whole kingdom, and upright ones[g] with him; thus shall he do. And he shall give him the daughter of women to destroy it; but she shall not stand with him, or be for him. 18 After this he shall turn his face to the coastlands, and shall take many. But a ruler shall bring the reproach against them to an end; and with the reproach removed, he shall turn back on him. 19 Then he shall turn his face toward the fortress of his own land; but he shall stumble and fall, and not be found.
20 “There shall arise in his place one who imposes taxes on the glorious kingdom; but within a few days he shall be destroyed, but not in anger or in battle.


25 posted on 09/13/2009 8:57:19 PM PDT by boatbums (A man is no fool who gives up that which he cannot keep for that which he cannot lose.)
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To: Quix
There IS such a verse. (Uttermost north)

That is found most prominently in Ez 38.

41 posted on 09/14/2009 3:01:03 AM PDT by roamer_1 (It takes a (Kenyan) village to raise an idiot.)
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To: Quix; raynearhood; Lee N. Field; GiovannaNicoletta; boatbums
My dear Quix, please note the following characteristics of this threat from the North.

They are riding horses (v. Eze. 38:4,15).

They are wearing armor and swords (v. Eze. 38:4).

They are armed with bows and arrows (v. Eze. 39:3)

All the nations listed are located in very close proximity to Israel (v. Eze. 38:4), i.e., they are readily accessible by armies mounted on horseback.

Now, a good Bible interpreter, rather than relying on their own faulty presuppositions, or rather than taking the untested interpretation of others, would actually turn to the Bible and see how a word or phrase is to be interpreted so as to have meaning within the entire

E.g., they would read passages such as:

41 " Behold, a people is coming from the north, And a great nation and many kings Will be aroused from the remote parts of the earth. 42 "They seize {their} bow and javelin; They are cruel and have no mercy. Their voice roars like the sea; And they ride on horses, Marshalled like a man for the battle Against you, O daughter of Babylon. 43 "The king of Babylon has heard the report about them, And his hands hang limp; Distress has gripped him, Agony like a woman in childbirth. (Jer. 50)
And see how this phrase is used wrt a prophecy against ancient Babylon which was fulfilled when it was overrun by the armies of the Medo-Persians. The Medo-Persians were not that far from Babylon (in modern geographic terms), but the biblical phrase is not necessarily speaking in pure geographical terms.

It’s obvious, when you read and understand the Bible, that phrases like “from the north … remote parts of the earth” are not meant to be interpreted using a modern geography book, but in accordance with the words of Scripture. Otherwise you end up with nonsense, which is what the futurists who speak of Moscow and Russia wrt Gog and Magog are doing.

In the fantasy world of modern futurists, you have a curious development. While these folk claim to be “literal” interpreters of the Bible, they can run from any sensible literal interpretation as fast as a fox from a hound. The text of Ezekiel 37-38 clearly is speaking of ancient armies using ancient tools of war, but the futurist, in order to satisfy their faulty presuppositions, ignores the text and create a vision of modern armies using modern war-fighting techniques.

Or, more embarrassingly, they clothe these modern armies with ancient implements. So we have the Russian armies marching from Moscow to the border of Jerusalem on horseback, a trip of some 1700 miles as the crow flies. Much further on horseback. So here we are led to believe that the modern Israeli military and intelligence community is going to let the Russian army on horseback just waltz in the Middle East unchallenged. And then this Russian army on horseback is going to devastate the land. One would think that rational folks would be embarrassed to be associated with such a fantastic scenario of future events.

One more point, futurists make much of the book of Revelation wrt this future battle of Gog and Magog vs. Israel. But, we should note that the only place that “Gog and Magog” appears in the book is in chapter 20, at the very end of the “1000 years”. It’s indeed odd that the vision of Revelation could not make a direct connection between the futurist God and Magog ala their future “great tribulation” and the chapters of Revelation they claim speak of this same event.

I’ll punt it back to you for what will no doubt be a challenging and engrossing, solidly biblical interpretation without any hint of your usual incoherent repartee.

54 posted on 09/14/2009 6:57:10 AM PDT by topcat54 ("If Israel is 'God's prophetic clock,' then dispensationalists do not know how to tell time.")
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