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To: Mad Dawg

“To say, “Mary has no role in salvation,” is to engage in Mariology.”

No one holding that belief is engaging in Mariology. One sentence does not make a study - and Mariology is “The body of belief or dogma or the systematic study of the Virgin Mary and her role in the Incarnation.”

If you feel the need to make a systematic study of the Virgin Mary, then you have already lost the focus Jesus demanded.

“27 As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, “Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you.” 28 He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”

It isn’t that Mary is a bad person - far from it. But to pay serious attention to Mary is to miss the boat on what makes her important - Jesus!

Jesus doesn’t even call her “Mother” in scripture. Not once. He calls her, “Woman”. I don’t believe for a moment that he was being disrespectful of her. I think he is guarding against the heathen tendency to make more of her than God wanted.

Now look at the incredible statement I posted by the Pope:

“Let all, therefore, try to approach with greater trust the throne of grace and mercy of our Queen and Mother, and beg for strength in adversity, light in darkness, consolation in sorrow; above all let them strive to free themselves from the slavery of sin and offer an unceasing homage, filled with filial loyalty, to their Queenly Mother. Let her churches be thronged by the faithful, her feast-days honored; may the beads of the Rosary be in the hands of all; may Christians gather, in small numbers and large, to sing her praises in churches, in homes...”

Mary doesn’t give grace or mercy - God does. You cannot free yourself from the slavery of sin - God does that. Offer unceasing homage? Let HER churches be thronged? May Christians gather to sing her praises?

That is blasphemy, and is obscene to anyone who worships God.


294 posted on 09/07/2009 4:06:50 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: Mr Rogers
If you feel the need to make a systematic study of the Virgin Mary, then you have already lost the focus Jesus demanded.
Wait, are we being accused of blasphemy or loss of focus?

“To say, “Mary has no role in salvation,” is to engage in Mariology.”

No one holding that belief is engaging in Mariology.

So what is that statement, agronomy, entemology? It IS exactly a systematic (though it's a small system) statement about the Virgin's role in the Incarnation. It meets the definition.

A small triangle is not a triangle because it's small? Saying "There is not God," is not a theological statement"? No sale.

Enough with the same old, over and over and over again reference to texts we also cite. Do you really think we haven't read, heard, and considered that incident?

I quit watching 60 Minutes because I knew that I wasn't sufficiently righteous to deserve to feel all the "righteous anger" they try to stir up. I'm now seeing that a lot of our adversaries would rather take some quote out of the general context of discourse and practice, make outrageous statements, and draw unwarranted conclusions because it is just so rewarding to feel that little frisson of horror and moral superiority: "EEEEW! THEY're BLASphemers!"

Cut me a break.

If you ever want to know what the Church really teaches, get back to me, I might be able to recommend a course of study. Just don't waste my time with this bogus nonsense.

301 posted on 09/07/2009 4:37:23 PM PDT by Mad Dawg
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To: Mr Rogers
Mary doesn’t give grace or mercy - God does.
How does this quote contradict that?

You cannot free yourself from the slavery of sin - God does that.
How does this quote contradict that?

Offer unceasing homage?
Some people don't get that to say someone is in some respects superior to me is NOT equivalent to saying somebody is superior to everything, any more than saying somebody has powers I don't have is equivalent to saying that person is all-powerful.

Let HER churches be thronged?
I get that some people don't get dedicating Churches to saints. And, not getting it, they think that somehow we are elevating the Saint above God. It's the same error: It's higher than I, they must mean it's supreme over all. Hint: We don't.

May Christians gather to sing her praises?
I'd hope that all Americans would periodically gather to sing the national anthem. That hope is entirely consistent with hoping that they would also gather to sing Hymns to God.

I keep thinking that I am the world's foremost expert on what I believe and intend. It gets my attention when somebody I don't know insists I mean something other than what I know I mean.
359 posted on 09/08/2009 12:04:23 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin: pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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