***How many times on how many threads do you need this answered?
Considering I’ve yet to receive a straight answer, I’d say it has not been answered. Although the most direct so far was post 74 that stated unequivocally:
Absolutely, positively, nobody will be saved outside the Catholic Church. Not Muslims, not Protestants, nobody.***
You’ve claimed to have read the Catechism; what is so difficult about this? To be saved one must fit all the requirements of being Catholic. That is the authority that Jesus gave to the Church. Have you missed this in your perusal of Scripture?
***Of course, Jesus said that He was the way, the truth, and the light, and that no one can come to the Father but through Him. And that Jesus was the seat of judgment.
I guess someone forgot to tell you Catholics that, huh? ***
We include all of Jesus’ commandments, we don’t substitute misunderstandings of Paul or edit the Bible to whatever our particular cult happens to believe.
***Since you now decide who can be saved, and just who can dispense judgment (like that 13 person robed, incantation-laden ritual you explained called ex-communication). ***
Once again, I must tell you that the Church does not dispense Judgement. What other anti Catholic venom do you need to spew?
***Is it Biblical for an institution of man to supercede the role and words of Christ?***
Well, here it is. No. The Church does not supercede Christ; we cannot. It is the heresies of the men of the Reformation that try to.
Simple. The Catechism is in direct opposition to the Bible on many points. Thus the Catechism is in error, and should not be the "authority" you turn to.
To be saved one must fit all the requirements of being Catholic.
Does that include your mariology? If so, that rules out the Orthodox as well...
That is the authority that Jesus gave to the Church.
Unfortunately, the church let Him down. Just like Peter - the rock on which He built His church - let Him down. Thankfully we still have the ultimate authority of Jesus - His Word in the Bible, and we can use that to determine when and where the church has failed Him.
Have you missed this in your perusal of Scripture?
On the contrary, I am daily reminded of the errors of the ways of churches, and the errors of the Catechism. But when you place the Catechism above the Bible, it makes sense that you cannot see the plain errors of your way.
We include all of Jesus’ commandments, we don’t substitute misunderstandings of Paul or edit the Bible to whatever our particular cult happens to believe.
Then explain how your ex-communication ritual fits in with the Words of Christ. Christ is the sole arbiter of man's fate; judgment rests with Him and Him alone. How can a Pope and 12 priests condemn a man to Hell?
Once again, I must tell you that the Church does not dispense Judgement. What other anti Catholic venom do you need to spew?
Excuse me, you JUST got done telling me that only Catholics can be saved. How is that not judgment? How is saying "unless you do this and this and this, you cannot be saved" not passing judgment?
The Church does not supercede Christ; we cannot.
GREAT! Then when will the church repent for its failings in the past? Start with the sex scandals of the last few decades. Any repentance from Rome? You know, the Biblical type where you go to the offended and ask them for forgiveness?
It is the heresies of the men of the Reformation that try to.
On the contrary, the "heresies" you like to rail against were trying to call the church back to a Christian, Biblical existence, where humility, servanthood, and obedience were the rule. Where offenses are forgiven, where restitution and restoration are sought.
But that would mean Rome would have to bend its knee to others it grieved, and we can't have that, can we?