Posted on 08/22/2009 4:04:18 PM PDT by The Anti-One
Grab your Bibles and Strong's Concordance and see for yourselves.
Humblegunner, I'm pretty sure the Bible tells us that the Jews are God's chosen people. We can tell them that Christians are until we're purple, but we don't have the Word as Written to back it up. Jesus was a Jew, remember?
Christians are obliged stand by Jews in this world. As long as America stands with Israel, we're righteous. If, God forbid, America ever abandoned Israel, I believe God would abandon America.
Sure we do.
John 14-6
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.
Kind of puts the Jews on the back burner.
"The real antichrist" will need to be a brain dead, mindless twit until the 3 1/2 year mark of his reign as antichrist (which I might add has NOT begun) whereupon the mindless schlub will be possessed by Satan himself. Satan cannot have the soul of a man standing in his way when he moves into his physical vessel with which he will rain terror and death upon the inhabitants of the earth. Based upon your comments I have no doubts that you, like me, believe o-bomb-a-nation to be nothing more than an empty vessel. Heck, he can't speak without someone telling him what to say.
Look. I realize many people don't like to be challenged to think and that's fine. Whatever makes ya'll happy but seriously, the video does make a compelling argument while at the same time not claiming that obombanation is the antichrist.
All I did was present something for you to consider before your God and Christ. If you do consider it great. If you don't, great.
Have a great day! ;-)
All VERY excellent points, humblegunner!
My gut (which means I have no real evidence to back it up!! ;^) tells me that the End Times are quite a ways off in the future, well beyond our current lives on this Earthly plane.
Doesn't change the fact that the bible makes it clear that the Jews were God's chosen people. Western civilication is what it is, became as mighty and righteous as it did, because of the Judeo-Christian ethic. Jews and Christians are all on the same ship; within her hull we eat together, we sail together, we work together. And when it comes time to fight, we must fight together.
BINGO!
New covenant you know.
They should get with the new program.
Sorry, I can't accept that Christains are not God's chosen people.
What would be the whole point of Jesus if not?
But the Bible DOES say that the Jews were God's chosen people. The Old Testament says a lot of things -- are we supposed to discount them all because of the New Covenant? Are the Ten Commandments as moot as Jews in that regard?
While I would fight to the death to defend the rights of people to practice whatever religion they please on American soil, I would NOT fight at all to defend Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, or any religion or non-religion except ...
... as a Christian, I would fight to the death to defend Judaism the same as I would fight to the death to defend Christianity.
We are family and we need each other to survive and remain righteous.
Something from World Nut Daily is always worth a comment.
Your position is false and is the brainwashing spewed by illuminast politicians and preachers. There can be no Judeo-Christian because that would mean Satanic-Christian. Jesus called them what they were - Synagogue of Satan - and nothing has changed with them in 2000 years. The Jews were God’s ‘chosen people’ to receive his Word and the Messiah, which the Jews have rejected to the salvation of the Gentiles. Other than that, there is nothing special about Jews, although they fill themselves and you with the ‘chosen people’ line regularly. The rebuilding of the Jewish Temple is blasphemy to God and their animal sacrifices there will be additional proof of their rejection of Jesus Christ, which is why it will be taken over by the Antichrist. If it were really a Temple to God, the Antichrist would not be able to do that.
I agree with you that BO seems to be from every culture, every religion, every gene pool, which looks more and more AC to me. Do you have a link to Stanley Ann was Jewish? Thanks - I have been waiting for that shoe to drop for some time as it is necessary to fulfill the Jewish prophecies to fool them into thinking he is their long awaited messiah. I am deeply bothered by BHO’s remark “I was not really born in a manger” HAHA, as he again alludes to his inflated narcissistic ego that he thinks he is god/messiah. Does that birth certificate perhaps actually say he was born in Bethlehem?
I also meant to point out that the term Judeo-Christian was not in use until the post-WWII era. For you, it is mainstreamed now and you presume it has always been thus, but it has not.
Remember, Israel is called the wife of Jehovah, while the Church is referenced as the Bride of Christ.
Indeed, those who bless Israel will be blessed, and those who curse her shall be cursed.
Arnold Fruchtenbaum had an interesting observation regarding this distinction of the wife and bride of Christ. During the first advent, before the Crucifixion, Jewish tradition called for the marriage process as a 4-step system.
First the bride was selected for the groom by the Father of the groom.
Next, the groom would prepare a home for the bride and a bride price would be paid. At a time to be determined by the Father, and not by the groom, the groom would then go to fetch the bride. The bride would then be cleaned up and further sanctified and then given a clean wedding dress.
At the Wedding, the bride would appear in her wedding dress, all prepared for her groom.
After the wedding would be a magnificent wedding feast.
The parallels to the selection and election of the Church, a fetching of the bride at the Rapture determined at a time by the Father, not by anybody else, the bema seat and cleansing of the bride, then the wedding feast in heaven all point magnificently to His Plan for us.
Definitely information to keep in mind — Thanks
Are you claiming God is a polygamist, or that Jehovah and Christ or two different gods, or what exactly?
Christ is Jehovah, no?
Your observation only strengthens the historical view that OT Israel and the NT Church are one and the same people of God.
Actually, the Bible does not say that. Speaking to Abraham, God said:
"I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you." (Gen. 12:3)
It is Abraham and His true offspring that bring blessing to the world. And who is that exactly?
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." (Gal. 3:28,29)
If you ignore what the NT says about the true offsping of Abraham you will always get it wrong. You end up focusing on genetics rather than covenant.
Arnold Fruchtenbaum had an interesting observation regarding this distinction of the wife and bride of Christ. During the first advent, before the Crucifixion, Jewish tradition called for the marriage process as a 4-step system.
Arnold Fruchtenbaum. As an interesting aside, consider this:
"There are several groups of Messianic Jews out there, 2 denominations and a whole cat herd of fringers. of the denominations the UMJC is the only one that is vaguely orthodox. ( I spent many years in MJ synagogues). Marty Waldman used to be president of the UMJC and when I knew him he was almost reformed in his theology. Then you get the well known Arnold Fruchtenbaum who as a dispensational professor I once had said to me "Fruchtenbaum's dispensationalism is what you grew up listening to? From Fruchtenbaum? No wonder you think all dispensationalists are heretics". I won't go into the cat herd but there is a large group of MJ's who do not believe in Christ as teh Messiah at all and are waiting for the Messiah to appear."
The real anti-Christ would not need a teleprompter.
The real anti-Christ would not throw like a girl.
I don’t think Obama is qualified to be the anti-Christ.
You'd think the Man 'o Sin an' Son 'o Perdition would be, you know, more competent.
If one continues to ignore the distinctions between the Church and Israel, then one will slip into confusing Israel as the Church and attempt to steal her blessing while ignoring the cursings. Scripture is much more true and rich than simply to ignore the very real covenants made with Israel prior to the Church Age, but this does not imply any of the grace God has made for the Bride of Christ.
No one is ignoring the biblical distinctions. What we are ignoring, or rather denying, is that futurist dispensationalism is able to correctly articulate the biblical distinctions. This is seen clearly in the reaction to your statement on the dispensationalist-inspired distinction between the wife of Jehovah vs. the bride of Christ, which is an entirely false as a biblical concept.
The evidence is that futurism has an inadequate model for describing the Israel/Church relationship. Attempting to make distinction like wife/bride suggests a view of God that is like that of the heretic Marcion, i.e., that the God of the Old Testament is different and distinct from the God of the New Testament. Is God a polygamist? Is Jesus different than Jehovah? Is there a biblical distinction between wife and bride (cf. Matt. 1:20-24).
Scripture is much more true and rich than simply to ignore the very real covenants made with Israel prior to the Church Age, but this does not imply any of the grace God has made for the Bride of Christ.
Again, no one denies such things. What we deny is that futurist dispensationalism has a correct handle on the interpretation of such matters.
Are you an ancient Myan? ;)
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