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To: Petronski

I grant that, if ‘brother’ is used differently when referring to the brothers of Jesus than it is anywhere else, then you can be right. However, if a word is used one way every time it is used EXCEPT in the time in dispute, then it is up to the person claiming the exception to show why an exception should be made.

For a Catholic, the answer is (I believe), my doctrine requires it.

And that is a valid answer, since my point is not that you must believe Jesus had brothers to be a Christian. I’m certain a great many true believers have gone to the Lord convinced of Mary’s perpetual virginity. I’m not convinced they retain that belief afterward, but I’ll find that answer out for myself someday...and Mr Rogers has been known to be wrong.

It boils down to the same thing many of the disputes between Protestants and Catholics do - does scripture drive your doctrine, or does doctrine ‘interpret’ the scripture?

I assume the former, and Catholics assume the latter - boast of it, in fact. Therefore, we come to different conclusions.


344 posted on 08/17/2009 6:30:43 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: Mr Rogers
I grant that, if ‘brother’ is used differently when referring to the brothers of Jesus than it is anywhere else, then you can be right. However, if a word is used one way every time it is used EXCEPT in the time in dispute, then it is up to the person claiming the exception to show why an exception should be made.

Those are your rules.

346 posted on 08/17/2009 6:42:10 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Mr Rogers
...does scripture drive your doctrine, or does doctrine ‘interpret’ the scripture?

False dichotomy.

Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture mesh perfectly. It is His will for His Church.

348 posted on 08/17/2009 6:44:29 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Mr Rogers; Petronski

It’s not even necessary to assume “cousin”. Many happily hold to the perpetual virginity and believe that Christ had half-brothers via Joseph.


349 posted on 08/17/2009 6:44:58 PM PDT by Claud
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To: Mr Rogers

What would the half-brothers of Jesus be called? Brothers by another previous wife? What is the aramaic word for that?


350 posted on 08/17/2009 6:45:44 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Drill here! Drill NOW! Defund the EPA!)
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