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To: theanonymouslurker
LOL! That's just silly and is completely contrary to all Catholic doctrine. Do you actually read what you type before you hit the post button?

Yes, as a matter of fact I do read what I type.

"The same worship is rendered to Mary as to Christ. Churches are built to her honour; her shrines are crowded with devotees; enriched with their gifts; and adorned with their votive offerings. To her prayers are addressed as to a divine being, and blessing are asked as from one who has power to bestow them. Her votaries are taught to pray, 'Spare us, good Lady,' and 'From all evil, good Lady, deliver us.' Five annual festivals celebrate her greatness, and keep alive the devotion of her worshippers. In Roman Catholic countries the dawn is ushered in with hymns to her honour; her praises are again chanted at noon, and the day is closed with an Ave Maria sung to the Lady of Heaven." (James A. Wylie, The Papacy, London (1852) p. 370)

James Wylie was a Catholic theologian.

So, at least we've clarified that it is your interpretation. It's just too bad that your interpretation is incorrect.

My interpretation was about a soldier on the battlefield, and it is quite correct.

Catholics do not rely upon Mary for salvation either.

Ever hear of this?

Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of death.

Or this?

Pope John Paul II in his General audience of Wednesday, December 18, 1996 said: “Beginning with Simeon’s prophesy, Mary intensely and mysteriously unites her life with Christ’s sorrowful mission: she was to become her Son’s faithful co-worker for the salvation of the human race.” (L’Osservatore Romano, January 1, 1997).

Sounds as if Catholics do.

306 posted on 08/17/2009 2:15:12 PM PDT by rjsimmon (1-20-2013 The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: rjsimmon
James Wylie was a Catholic theologian.

Great. Now find what he said in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

307 posted on 08/17/2009 2:17:18 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: rjsimmon
Sounds as if Catholics do.

But you're wrong.

308 posted on 08/17/2009 2:18:29 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: rjsimmon

>>Pope John Paul II in his General audience of Wednesday, December 18, 1996 said: “Beginning with Simeon’s prophesy, Mary intensely and mysteriously unites her life with Christ’s sorrowful mission: she was to become her Son’s faithful co-worker for the salvation of the human race.” (L’Osservatore Romano, January 1, 1997). <<

I don’t know if you know this, but JPII is dead. He is alive in heaven (Lord willing) but his earthly body is dead. He no longer heads the Catholic church.

Now, the man leading the Catholic church says this

The Pope on Co-redemptrix
“Yet when asked, in a 2000 interview by Peter Seewald contained in the book God and the World, whether the Church would go along with the desire to solemnly define Mary as Co-redemptrix, Ratzinger’s response doesn’t look good. He says that the title Co-redemptrix “departs to too great an extent from the language of Scripture and of the Fathers and therefore gives rise to misunderstandings” (53). He also says that “for matters of faith, continuity of terminology with the language of Scripture and that of the Fathers is itself an essential element; it is improper simply to manipulate language” (54). “

Understand, that Ratzinger guy is Pope Benedict the 16th, current Pope.
And if you need help with the Latin, Redemptrix = one who saves.


310 posted on 08/17/2009 2:31:17 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: rjsimmon
Me: Catholics do not rely upon Mary for salvation either.

rjsimmon: Ever hear of this?

Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of death.

LOL. So what? I guess you've never asked anyone to pray for you. Otherwise, this does not support your statement that Catholics rely upon Mary for salvation, and as such your argument is a non sequitur.

And where does your JPII quote say that "Catholics rely upon Mary for salvation?" You're attributing words to JPII that he did not say.

313 posted on 08/17/2009 2:52:51 PM PDT by theanonymouslurker
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To: rjsimmon
James Wylie was a Catholic theologian.

It appears you have "misstated" the facts, should Wiki be correct:

James Aitken Wylie (1808-1890) was a Scottish historian of religion and Presbyterian minister. He was a prolific writer and is most famous for writing The History of Protestantism... He published his book The Papacy: its History, Dogmas, Genius, and Prospects in 1851, winning a prize of a hundred guineas from the Evangelical Alliance. The Protestant Institute appointed him Lecturer on Popery in 1860. He continued in this role until his death in 1890, publishing in 1888 his work The Papacy is the Antichrist. Emphasis mine.

A full retraction should be proper in this circumstance.

314 posted on 08/17/2009 3:03:21 PM PDT by theanonymouslurker
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To: rjsimmon
James Wylie was a Catholic theologian. --rjsimmon


323 posted on 08/17/2009 3:20:20 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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