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To: woollyone
Right? And then what, she’s a co-equal with Jesus? What, His sister and mother all wrapped up in one?

No no and no.

You scored nil. What does that say to you about what you know about the Catholic Church?

138 posted on 08/17/2009 11:03:29 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Petronski

says...um...nothing...says nothing at all about me.
But this thread isn’t about me.
It’s about the doctrine that Mary was allegedly...”assumed”
lol

< heresy>That she was without sin. </ heresy>
And therfore, since only Jesus is shown to be without sin, by definiton is an attempt to make < heresy> her, a mere created sinful mortal, co-equal with Christ</ Heresy>

I do note however that nobody has refuted that some actually pray to her for forgiveness, as though she is somehow capable to forgive the sin agains the Father. Which, again, by definition is claim < heresy>her to be co-equal to Christ </ heresy>

What I posted, that you relpied to, speaks VOLUMES about the attempted deification of Mary as those who participate in such doctrine.

Beliefs have consequences.

For instance...
One cannot believe that everone should make the same salary, that everyone should be forced to be qual in all matters, that government is the final authority on what our rights should be, etc and then, in the same breath claim to be for liberty. Simple logic and the law of no-contradicitons refutes the letter claim. The two are not compatable.

So too...
Believing that Mary is sinless as Christ, though no one is good, no, not one...
and also believing that Mary is a Savior from sin, or able to forgive, sin, as Christ does, for One died for our sins; Christ Jesus...
and also believing that Mary was conveived by the Holy Spirit, as only Jesus was...
and further blieving that Mary can interced on our behalf as Christ does as our one mediator between God and man.

...and then having the temerity to actually say that one believes all that but doesn’t see and cannot understand that they believe that they have verneated mary to that of the Godhead is simple blindness on that person’s part. Or, even more probably, the belief system is so strong that one must blindly deny what is so obvious to even the most casual observer.

Look, folks may believe as they wish, however, when they come into an open area of debate and propose poppycock, then they shouldn’t get their feathers in such a wad when others, who are invited into the debate, chuckle with amusement in the duplicity of the doctrine presented. It just stands to reason that when you ask others for their oipions that they’ll give it to you. If you don’t want ot hear the opinons of others, then don’t ask. bel;ieve what you like and just move along.

p.s. On a personal note...Nice try in the attempt to change the subject into my knowledge about the catholic church though! Weak and transparent, but entertaining anyway.

Best wishes


178 posted on 08/17/2009 11:43:42 AM PDT by woollyone (I believe God created me- you believe you're related to monkeys. Of course I laughed at you!)
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