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To: Cvengr

***Looks to me as though Paul begat through the gospel, not by himself as a father.***

I have given you quotes from Paul which do not relate to this one. As well, I have given you Peter. Both men tell their flocks that they (Peter and Paul) are the spiritual fathers of those flocks.


437 posted on 08/06/2009 9:53:08 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

The quotes you have provided are not from recognized translations.


441 posted on 08/06/2009 9:45:40 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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