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To: Dr. Eckleburg

It’s not dogma and therefore not the teachings of the Catholic Church. I can think that are angels flying around my head, it’s not dogma. Padre Pio could say that ravioli is a mainstay in the diet, it’s not dogma. Padre Pio said that women shouldn’t wear pants, Honey that ain’t dogma.

So let me say it again slowly.. I-t i-s n-o-t D-o-g-m-a. There, not so hard.

As for this....>>Please note the lack of any Roman Catholic voices against naming Mary as a “co-redeemer.”<<

The big guy already spoke...
The Pope on Co-redemptrix
“Yet when asked, in a 2000 interview by Peter Seewald contained in the book God and the World, whether the Church would go along with the desire to solemnly define Mary as Co-redemptrix, Ratzinger’s response doesn’t look good. He says that the title Co-redemptrix “departs to too great an extent from the language of Scripture and of the Fathers and therefore gives rise to misunderstandings” (53). He also says that “for matters of faith, continuity of terminology with the language of Scripture and that of the Fathers is itself an essential element; it is improper simply to manipulate language” (54). “

And anyone who says different should be referred to him.

So have a little fit and keep quoting those silly websites, but the Pope gave the word and we’re all down wit dat.

And anyone who isn’t Catholic, what do you (plural) care anyway? We know what we are talking about.


543 posted on 10/19/2009 7:20:39 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: netmilsmom
And anyone who says different should be referred to him.

Great.

Hey, "big guy," read your own catechism and stop preaching heresy.

973 By pronouncing her "fiat" at the Annunciation and giving her consent to the Incarnation, Mary was already collaborating with the whole work her Son was to accomplish. She is mother wherever he is Savior and head of the Mystical Body.

551 posted on 10/19/2009 7:32:20 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: netmilsmom; Cicero; Judith Anne; Quix; Alex Murphy; Marysecretary
It’s not dogma and therefore not the teachings of the Catholic Church.

“Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but BY HER MANIFOLD INTERCESSION CONTINUES TO BRING US THE GIFTS OF ETERNAL SALVATION. By her maternal charity, she cares for the brethren of her Son, who still journey on earth surrounded by dangers and difficulties, until they are led into their blessed home. Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of ADVOCATE, HELPER, BENEFACTRESS, and MEDIATRIX” (Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, chap. 8, II, 62, pp. 382-383).

Mary "brings (you) the gifts of eternal salvation?"

This is blasphemy and demotes Jesus Christ, one part of the Trinitarian God of all creation, to the position of "yadayadayada...and Jesus."

Is "dogma" different when it is contained in a "Dogmatic Constitution of the Church?"

Mary is no one's benefactress. Mary is no one's mediatrix. Mary is no one's helper. Mary is no one's advocate. Mary is no one's redeemer.

Mary was a sinner in need of a Savior, just like all of you and me. Keep your eye on Christ alone, "for there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."

578 posted on 10/19/2009 7:57:03 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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