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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Let’s start again.

WHO is the artist of that work?
What year was it done?
WHERE is that in the Vatican?

JPII had a huge devotion to Mary but DID NOT proclaim it to be dogma. A Pope is only “infallable” in matters of dogma. He is dead now, in case you didn’t hear, and the current Pope said this...

The Pope on Co-redemptrix
“Yet when asked, in a 2000 interview by Peter Seewald contained in the book God and the World, whether the Church would go along with the desire to solemnly define Mary as Co-redemptrix, Ratzinger’s response doesn’t look good. He says that the title Co-redemptrix “departs to too great an extent from the language of Scripture and of the Fathers and therefore gives rise to misunderstandings” (53). He also says that “for matters of faith, continuity of terminology with the language of Scripture and that of the Fathers is itself an essential element; it is improper simply to manipulate language” (54). “

Wish you people could get the whole dogma thing straight.
B16 could say that Burger King fries are the best in the world, that’s not dogma, you silly!!!!!!


512 posted on 10/19/2009 6:56:58 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: netmilsmom
Wish you people could get the whole dogma thing straight.

lolol. Yeah. Everyone else is confused. Not Rome. Not dueling popes. Not conflicting teachings.

Padre Pio is about to be canonized (if he hasn't already.) Was he wrong to say Mary is a "Co-Redemptrix" and a "Dispensatrix of all Graces?"

Or is that someone else's fault, too?

PADRE PIO AND THE MOTHER CO-REDEMPTRIX

"Mary...she continues unceasingly to reconcile man to God with her Mediation and Distribution of all the graces of Redemption. Consequently, she is proclaimed the Mother of universal reconciliation...She is, therefore, the Mother Mediatrix and Dispensatrix of all graces

Please note the lack of any Roman Catholic voices against naming Mary as a "co-redeemer."

531 posted on 10/19/2009 7:11:57 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: netmilsmom; MarkBsnr; Dr. Eckleburg

“A Pope is only “infallable” in matters of dogma. He is dead now, in case you didn’t hear, and the current Pope said this...Wish you people could get the whole dogma thing straight.”

“Try publishing from the Vatican. Then we’ll have sound grounds.”

The great thing about circular arguments is that you can never be wrong. As long as we believe what the current pope claims we will never be lead astray. How convenient.

Hey Dr. E., don’t the Mormons play the same trick with their Prophets?


597 posted on 10/19/2009 9:22:27 PM PDT by the_conscience
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