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To: Dr. Eckleburg

You got that picture from an Baptist website.
http://www.wayoflife.org/

Where is that in the Vatican?
What is the year on that particular piece of art?
What is the story behind it and who is the artist?

Let’s not be like the Mainstream Media who make the accusation as bad as the act. Rush was accused of being a racist on a quote that he did not make. We need more information on that art and the artist’s intent.


470 posted on 10/19/2009 6:02:41 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: netmilsmom

The photo is from Way of Life Blog file, page 8

http://www.wayoflife.org/files/page8_blog_entry81_1.jpg

I cannot find anywhere the crucifix is located. Maybe someone who posted it knows....


477 posted on 10/19/2009 6:23:47 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Drill in the USA and offshore USA!! Drill NOW and build more refineries!!!! Defund the EPA!)
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To: netmilsmom

Ping to 478 and those lying eyes.


483 posted on 10/19/2009 6:31:22 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: netmilsmom; wagglebee; Alex Murphy; Quix; Marysecretary; the_conscience
We need more information on that art and the artist’s intent.

LOLOL. I doubt a Protestant carved those statues. And it's pretty clear what the artist's intent was - to put Mary on the cross with Jesus as she helps Him redeem His flock...just as pope John Paul II said.

So who was wrong? JPII or Ratzinger? Or were both popes correct? Neither? From the following website

At least five times Pope Paul II has referred to Mary by the title "Co-redemptrix" in his papal teachings:

in 1985, in Guayaquil, Ecuador, John Paul II said: "Mary goes before us and accompanies us. The silent journey that begins with her Immaculate Conception and passes through the ‘yes’ of Nazareth, which makes her the Mother of God, finds on Calvary a particularly important moment. … In fact, at Calvary she united herself with the sacrifice of her Son that led to the foundation of the Church; her maternal heart shared to the very depths the will of Christ ‘to gather into one all the dispersed children of God’ (Jn. 11:52). Having suffered for the Church, Mary deserved to become the Mother of all the disciples of her Son, the Mother of their unity. … In fact Mary’s role as Coredemptrix did not cease with the glorification of her Son" (Inside the Vatican, July 1997, p. 23).

In his general audience address of April 9, 1997, the pope said: "Mary … co-operated during the event itself [the crucifixion] and in the role of mother; thus her co-operation embraces the whole of Christ’s saving work. She alone was associated in this way with the redemptive sacrifice that merited the salvation of all mankind. In union with Christ and submission to Him, she collaborated in obtaining the grace of salvation for all humanity… In God’s plan, Mary is the ‘woman’ (Gen.3:15, Jn 2:4; 19:26), the New Eve, united to the New Adam in restoring humanity to its original dignity. Her cooperation with her Son continues for all time in the universal motherhood which she enjoys in the order of grace. Trusting in this maternal cooperation, let us turn to Mary, imploring her help in all our needs (Vatican Information Service).

In his general audience for July 30, JPII said: "As the Mother of all the Lord’s disciples (cf. Jn 19:26), Mary offers her intercession and aid to all who journey towards the fullness of the Lord's Kingdom. As the Bride and Temple of the Holy Spirit, she encourages us to imitate her openness to the workings of the Spirit and to live in constant, loving communion with the Blessed Trinity."

Mary is the "bride of the Holy Spirit???" What in the world is he talking about? The church is the bride of Christ. If the Holy Spirit and Christ are one, then is Mary the bride of her own son? Roman Catholic theology is confused, to put it charitably.

Pope John Paul II has exalted Mary even in his most official documents. In his encyclical Redemptoris Mater (Mother of the Redeemer), published March 25, 1987, the pope referred to Mary as "Mediatrix" three times, and as "Advocate" twice. The entire third section is dedicated to the theme of "Maternal Mediation."

503 posted on 10/19/2009 6:49:40 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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